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How to Find Product-Market Fit for B2B SaaS with 14 Examples

This is a very in-depth article with 14 examples of B2B SaaS companies that found, or failed to find, product market fit. It probably should be a book on Kindle.

TL;DR

The Problem: 42% of startups fail because there’s no market need. Most founders don’t know if they have product-market fit or are just getting lucky with early traction.

How to Know If You Have PMF:

  • The 40% Rule: Survey active users: “How would you feel if you could no longer use [product]?” If ≥40% say “very disappointed,” you likely have PMF.
  • Leading indicators: Organic word-of-mouth, small but passionate user base, customers clearly articulating your value
  • Lagging indicators: Double-digit monthly growth ($10K-$50K MRR range), ≤3.5% monthly churn, retention curves flattening

Key Takeaways

1. PMF is measurable, not a feeling. Use the 40% rule (Sean Ellis test) as your leading indicator. If ≥40% of active users would be “very disappointed” without your product, you’re on the right track. Pair this with retention curves, organic growth, and churn rates to confirm.

2. Nail one specific pain point for one specific audience. Don’t build a horizontal product for “everyone.” Clay found PMF when they focused exclusively on GTM teams. Gamma found it serving consultants/founders/educators who need rapid content creation. Specificity beats breadth every time.

3. Expect 2+ years, not 6 months. The median B2B SaaS takes 2 years to find PMF. Clay took 5. Airtable took 3-4. This requires patient capital or low burn rates. Companies that fail usually have infrastructure costs demanding immediate adoption. Don’t scale (team, marketing, features, funding) until PMF is proven—premature scaling kills more startups than bad products.

4. Sometimes you need to completely pivot, and that’s okay. Slack started as a failed game. Segment started as analytics software. Flickr started as a game feature. If after 18-24 months you have no organic pull, customers prefer your side feature, or you’re running out of runway then pivoting might be your path to PMF. The winners aren’t those who never change course; they’re the ones who recognize when the market is telling them something and act decisively.

You’re worried about product market fit for your product

I’m assuming that if you’re reading this then you are a founder or a marketer under enormous pressure to find leads for your sales team.

You’ve built something. Customers are using it. Some even pay you. But here’s the question that keeps you up at night: do you actually have product-market fit?

According to CB Insights, 42% of failed startups cite “no market need” as their reason for shutting down. That’s not a technology problem or an execution problem, it’s a product-market fit problem. They built something nobody desperately wanted.

YCombinator’s famous motto is: Build something people want.

But as the graveyard of failed startups will testify, knowing what people want lies somewhere between witchcraft and blind luck.

This guide will show you exactly how to know if you’ve found PMF, what it looks like for B2B SaaS specifically, how long it takes, and what to do (and not do) along the way.

What Is Product-Market Fit & Why It’s Different for B2B SaaS

Product-market fit (PMF) is that elusive state where your product pulls customers toward it rather than you having to push it on them.

It’s the difference between Clay spending a jaw-dropping five years with ~20 customers and suddenly hitting 10x revenue growth.

It’s the difference between Airtable struggling to explain what they built and becoming an $11 billion company.

It’s the difference between Gamma building a tool to make beautiful presentations and a tool that gets you a presentation ready in 5-minutes.

Marc Andreessen defined product-market fit simply: “being in a good market with a product that can satisfy that market.” But that’s the poet’s version. For B2B SaaS founders, you need something more actionable.

Product-market fit means:

  • Customers actively seek out your solution without heavy marketing
  • They integrate it into their workflows and can’t imagine working without it
  • Word-of-mouth drives a significant portion of new customer acquisition
  • Retention is strong and people stick around
  • Growth feels less like pushing a boulder uphill and more like steering a rocket

B2B SaaS PMF is different from B2C. Consumer products can go viral overnight. B2B SaaS doesn’t (always) work that way. Your market is smaller, sales cycles are longer, and you’re often replacing entrenched workflows or competitors. The bar for “good enough” is much higher because your product needs to integrate into complex business processes and deliver measurable ROI.

Think about it: a consumer might download TikTok on a whim and get immediate dopamine hits. But a company switching project management tools is weeks of evaluation, stakeholder alignment, change management, risk assessment, legal reviews, security audits, and procurement (ugh).

This is why B2B SaaS PMF timelines are measured in years, not months.

The 40% Rule: A Leading Indicator You Can Measure

Sean Ellis, the growth marketer who helped scale Dropbox and LogMeIn, created one of the most actionable PMF tests: the 40% rule.

Here’s how it works. Survey users who’ve experienced your core product value (used it at least twice in the last two weeks) and ask them one simple question:

“How would you feel if you could no longer use [product]?”

Answer options:

  • Very disappointed
  • Somewhat disappointed
  • Not disappointed (it really isn’t that useful)
  • N/A – I no longer use it

According to Ellis’s research across hundreds of startups, if 40% or more of respondents answer “very disappointed,” you likely have product-market fit. Companies that cleared this threshold almost always achieved strong, sustainable growth. Those below 40% struggled.

Source: Sean Ellis PMF Survey Research

How Superhuman Used This to Reach PMF

Rahul Vohra, founder of Superhuman, turned the Sean Ellis test into Superhuman’s most important metric. In summer 2017, their score was 22%—well below the PMF threshold. They:

  1. Segmented users based on survey responses
  2. Focused exclusively on the “very disappointed” users
  3. Built features this core segment desperately wanted
  4. Ignored feature requests from users who were “not disappointed”

Within quarters, they hit 33%, then kept pushing. By systematically optimizing for the “very disappointed” percentage, they achieved strong PMF.

The brilliance of this approach? It’s a leading indicator. You don’t need to wait for revenue hockey sticks or viral growth to know if you’re on the right track. You can measure it now with 40-50 quality responses.

When the 40% Rule Misleads You

The test isn’t perfect. A few caveats:

Survey the right users. If you survey everyone who’s ever signed up (including drive-bys who never experienced your core value), your score will be artificially low. Focus on users who’ve experienced the product at least twice in the last two weeks.

Don’t obsess over one number. The 40% threshold is a guideline, not gospel. A 38% score with rapidly improving metrics might be more promising than a 42% score that’s stagnant.

Pair it with other signals. The Sean Ellis test should confirm what you’re already seeing in retention cohorts, customer feedback, and growth patterns—not replace them.

The 40% rule is 15 years old: The B2B SaaS landscape back in the 2000s and early 2010s is vastly different to what it is today. Software has commoditized every industry to the point where feature-parity is the norm for most apps. I love using customer.io and Hubspot, but would I be disappointed if I couldn’t use them tomorrow? I’d find a cheaper option.

What PMF Looks Like for B2B SaaS: It’s Not About Features

Here’s what PMF is NOT: having every feature competitors have, achieving a certain revenue milestone, or getting positive feedback from customers.

PMF for B2B SaaS is about solving a specific, recurring pain point for a well-defined customer segment and doing it so well that they can’t imagine working without you.

PMF Is Defined By:

1. Your Ideal Customer Profile (ICP)

You can’t have PMF “in general.” You have PMF with specific personas in specific situations. Clay didn’t have PMF with “everyone who works with data.” They had PMF with GTM teams and sales agencies who needed to enrich and manipulate prospect data.

Airtable’s Andrew Ofstad admits: “Before we had product-market fit, it was hard to describe the product. We’d say ‘This is a way for you to build software’ or ‘It’s a spreadsheet-database hybrid.'” They had a horizontal product that could do many things—but PMF came when they figured out who it was indispensable for: non-technical teams who needed more than Excel but databases were too complicated and cumbersome to set up.

2. The Job-to-Be-Done

Clayton Christensen’s jobs-to-be-done framework is powerful here. People don’t buy products, they “hire” them to do a job.

Customer.io wasn’t hired to “send emails.” It was hired to “re-engage users who signed up but didn’t convert” or “onboard new customers without engineering work.” That’s the actual job.

If you can’t articulate the job your ICP is hiring your product to do and why your solution is 10x better than alternatives then you probably don’t have PMF yet.

3. Pain Point Severity & Frequency

For a B2B SaaS product to be successful, it must address pain that is:

  • Acute enough that people will pay to solve it
  • Frequent enough to justify a subscription

A tax filing pain point is acute but infrequent (once yearly). That’s a tough subscription business. A competitive intelligence tool sounds good in theory, but companies tend to get far too busy with their own problems to worry or focus on what their competitors are doing until suddenly it becomes a priority – after which it dies down again.

But an email marketing pain point that product managers face weekly? Much better fit for SaaS.

NOT by features. Feature parity with competitors doesn’t equal PMF. Superhuman had fewer features than Gmail but 10x better speed. That was their wedge.

How Long Does It Take to Find PMF? Years, Not Months

Let’s talk timelines. If you’re expecting to nail PMF in 6 months, recalibrate your expectations.

The Data

Research analyzing 24 B2B startups found the median time to PMF was 2 years. Some took longer. A few got lucky earlier.

Clay: 5 years (2017-2022). Despite raising $16M from Sequoia and First Round, they had only ~20 customers paying $30-200/month before January 2022. Their positioning was too broad. Revenue grew 10x the year they finally narrowed focus to GTM teams.

Airtable: 2-3 years in private alpha before public launch. Co-founder Andrew Ofstad: “We realized it would take a long time to get a real MVP out there. You’re competing against spreadsheets that have been around for 30 years.” They saw their first enterprise customer in 2016, four years after starting in 2012.

Customer.io: 18 months to reach $10K MRR. Founder Colin Nederkoorn and his co-founder lived off savings and credit cards for years. “Growth was painfully slow, and we struggled to gain traction. Finding product-market fit was a major hurdle.”

The pattern? Patient capital and low enough burn to iterate for years. The companies that failed were those with massive infrastructure costs (Webvan, Better Place) that demanded immediate adoption they couldn’t achieve.

Sources: West Operators (Clay), First Round Review (Airtable), SaaS Club (Customer.io), Lean B2B Research

What the Journey Looks Like

The path to PMF isn’t linear. Here’s the typical progression:

Months 0-6: Building and Testing

  • Creating MVP with core hypothesis
  • Getting first users (often through founder network)
  • Learning what people actually need vs. what you thought they needed

Months 6-18: The Trough of Sorrow

  • You have users but limited traction
  • Feedback is mixed
  • Unclear if you should pivot or persevere
  • Burn rate creates anxiety

Months 18-24+: Iteration & Breakthrough

  • If you survive, you’ve probably narrowed positioning
  • Core user segment starts showing strong retention
  • Word-of-mouth begins working
  • Growth feels less forced

Not every startup survives the trough. The ones that do typically have patient investors or low burn rates that allow extended iteration.

Measuring PMF: Leading and Lagging Indicators

The 40% rule is your leading indicator, but you need lagging indicators too. These are metrics that confirm PMF after you think you have it.

Leading Indicators (Early Signals)

1. Sean Ellis Test Score ≥40%
Covered above. This is your most actionable early metric.

2. Organic Word-of-Mouth
Are customers voluntarily recommending you to peers? Not because you have a referral program, but because they genuinely want to help colleagues solve the same problem?

3. Narrow, Passionate User Base
Better to have 100 users who love you than 1,000 who are indifferent. Early PMF often looks like a small, obsessed user segment.

Lagging Indicators (Confirmations)

1. Revenue Growth: Double-Digit MoM
According to SaaS PMF research, sustained double-digit month-over-month revenue growth between $10K-$50K MRR is a strong PMF signal. You’re past the “friends and family” stage but not yet at scale where growth naturally slows.

2. Retention Curves Flattening
Your cohort retention charts should flatten after the initial drop-off. If 40% of users are still active 6 months after signup, and that curve is flattening (not continuing to drop), you likely have PMF with that segment.

3. Low Churn (For B2B SaaS)
Healthy B2B SaaS monthly churn is around 2-3.5%. If you’re seeing 5%+ monthly churn, something’s broken. People are trying your product but not sticking. If you have customers that are sticking around for longer, look for similarities between them that can help you identify you ICP, as it’s likely your PMF lies with them.

4. Sales Cycle Shortening
As PMF solidifies, sales get easier. Prospects have heard of you. They come inbound. They close faster because the problem you solve is obvious and painful.

5. NPS (Net Promoter Score) >50
While NPS alone doesn’t prove PMF, scores above 50 indicate strong customer satisfaction and willingness to recommend.

Metric Type ▲▼ Metric ▲▼ Strong PMF Benchmark ▲▼ When to Measure ▲▼
Leading Sean Ellis Test ≥40% “very disappointed” After users experience core value 2+ times
Leading Organic Word-of-Mouth 30%+ inbound from referrals Ongoing – track referral sources
Leading User Passion Intensity Small, obsessed user base Qualitative – support tickets, feature requests
Lagging MRR Growth Rate 10-20% MoM ($10K-$50K MRR) Monthly tracking once past $10K MRR
Lagging Monthly Churn Rate ≤3.5% for B2B SaaS Track by cohort monthly
Lagging Retention Curve Flatten Cohorts retain 40%+ at 6 months Quarterly cohort analysis
Lagging CAC Payback Period ≤12 months Quarterly once sales process established
Lagging Net Promoter Score >50 Quarterly surveys of active users

Sources: Sean Ellis PMF Research, Recurly SaaS Benchmarks, Vitally Churn Data

The Currency Progression Framework: From Attention to Money

One useful mental model for PMF stages is the Currency Progression Framework—what “payment” you’re able to extract from users at different stages:

1. Attention: Users will read your emails, visit your landing page
2. Time: Users will try your product, sit through a demo
3. Reputation: Users will publicly endorse you, give testimonials
4. Commitment: Users will integrate your product into their workflow
5. Money: Users will pay for your product

Framework: Currency Progression Model for PMF Stages

PMF happens somewhere between Commitment and Money. If people are willing to integrate your product into critical workflows (Commitment) and pay for it (Money), you have PMF.

If you’re stuck at “people will try it but won’t pay” or “people say nice things but don’t actually use it,” you’re pre-PMF.

Questions to Ask Yourself: The Honest Self-Assessment

PMF requires brutal honesty. Here are questions to ask yourself:

Customer Need Questions

  • Can customers clearly articulate the problem you solve? If they can’t explain why they use you, you don’t have PMF.
  • How often do they experience this problem? If it’s quarterly or annually, reconsider your subscription model.
  • What would they use if you disappeared tomorrow? If the answer is “nothing” or “we’d figure it out somehow,” the pain isn’t severe enough.
  • Would they recommend you to peers unprompted? Real PMF drives organic advocacy.

Product Questions

  • What percentage of features do most users actually use? If it’s <20%, you built the wrong things.
  • Are customers using the product the way you intended? If not, either your positioning is off or you’re solving a different problem than you thought.
  • How much of your roadmap is driven by customer requests vs. your vision? Neither extreme is great. PMF requires balance.

Business Questions

  • Is growth primarily inbound or outbound? Pre-PMF companies rely on outbound. Post-PMF companies can’t keep up with inbound.
  • Are you selling or are customers buying? There’s a difference. Selling requires convincing. Buying means they’re already convinced.
  • What’s your CAC payback period? If it takes >18 months to recover customer acquisition costs, your economics are broken.

Avoiding Cognitive Bias

Founders are notoriously bad at objectively assessing PMF because they’re emotionally invested. Here’s how to counter bias:

Talk to churned customers. They’ll tell you the truth. Current customers are too nice.

Survey “somewhat disappointed” users. These are the fence-sitters. Their feedback shows what would turn them into “very disappointed” users.

Look at usage data, not feedback. What people do matters more than what they say. Are they using it daily? Weekly? Or did they log in once and disappear?

Set a kill switch date. Decide upfront: “If we don’t hit X metric by Y date, we pivot.” Prevents endless iteration on a fundamentally broken idea.

Category PMF Signal (✓ = Yes) Pre-PMF Signal (✗ = No)
Customer Articulation ✓ Customers can clearly explain what problem you solve ✗ They struggle to explain why they use you
Pain Frequency ✓ Users experience the problem weekly or daily ✗ Problem occurs quarterly or annually
Alternative Solutions ✓ “We’d be lost without this” or switch to inferior alternative ✗ “We’d figure it out somehow” or “nothing”
Organic Advocacy ✓ Customers recommend you unprompted to peers ✗ No one talks about you unless you ask
Feature Usage ✓ Users engage with 50%+ of core features ✗ <20% feature usage, lots of unused features
Product Usage ✓ Customers use it as intended in their workflow ✗ Workarounds or using it differently than designed
Growth Source ✓ 30%+ growth from inbound/referrals ✗ Growth primarily from cold outbound
Buying vs Selling ✓ Customers come convinced, you’re closing deals ✗ Heavy convincing required, long sales cycles
Unit Economics ✓ CAC payback <12 months, LTV:CAC >3:1 ✗ CAC payback >18 months, negative margins

Framework: PMF Self-Assessment Checklist

What NOT to Do Before Finding PMF

This is critical. Most startup failure modes are doing things too early—before PMF.

Don’t Scale Your Team

As covered in our article on why B2B SaaS startups fail, premature scaling is fatal. Hiring a VP of Sales before you have a repeatable sales process just burns cash. They can’t sell a product that hasn’t found its market.

The Messenger hired 300 staff immediately and burned $50M in 8 months on only $3M revenue. They scaled before PMF and imploded.

Better scaled to 8,000 employees during the real estate boom, then had brutal, repeated layoffs when the market shifted. They’d scaled for growth that wasn’t sustainable.

Wait until you have 20-50 customers closed by founders through a process you can articulate. Only then hire your first sales rep.

Don’t Spend Heavily on Marketing

Paid acquisition before PMF is throwing money into a leaky bucket. If retention is weak because PMF isn’t there, more users just means more churn.

Invest in content that educates your market (like Customer.io did with conversion copywriting resources), not performance marketing trying to force growth.

Don’t Build Too Many Features

Feature bloat is a PMF killer. Airtable knew their MVP bar was high—competing with spreadsheets with 30 years of features—but they didn’t try to match every feature. They built the minimum that delivered their core value proposition and expanded from there.

If you’re below 40% on the Sean Ellis test, more features won’t save you. Better positioning and deeper value for your core segment will.

Don’t Raise Too Much Money

Counterintuitive, but massive funding pre-PMF creates pressure to scale before you’re ready. You’ll hire too fast, spend too much, and run out of runway before finding PMF.

Customer.io’s Colin Nederkoorn took a non-traditional approach to fundraising: “We view funding as a tool to get to the next stage of the business.” They raised only what they needed when they needed it, maintaining control and optionality.

How to Accelerate Your PMF Journey (Without Shortcuts)

You can’t skip the work, but you can avoid common detours.

1. Talk to 40-100 Customers Before Building

Customer development isn’t optional. Clay, Airtable, Customer.io—all of them spent months (in some cases years) in customer conversations before scaling.

Don’t just ask “Would you use this?” Ask:

  • “How do you solve this problem today?”
  • “What have you tried that didn’t work?”
  • “If this worked perfectly, what would change for you?”
  • “What would make this a must-have vs. nice-to-have?”

2. Focus on One ICP Segment First

Horizontal products (like Airtable) took years to find PMF precisely because they tried to serve everyone. Clay’s breakthrough came when they focused exclusively on GTM teams. Revenue grew 10x that year.

Pick your most enthusiastic user segment and make the product incredible for them. Expand later.

3. Ship Fast, Iterate Faster

Airtable spent years in private alpha iterating with early users. They built prototypes, tested with users, got feedback, and repeated. Every. Single. Day.

Don’t wait for perfection. Get something in users’ hands and learn.

4. Use Quantitative + Qualitative Data

The Sean Ellis test (qualitative) should align with retention metrics (quantitative). If they don’t, dig deeper. Maybe your happiest users aren’t representative, or maybe your metrics are misleading.

Knowing If You’re Losing PMF (The Drift)

PMF isn’t permanent. Markets evolve. Competitors emerge. You can drift out of fit.

Warning Signs

Retention curves trending downward. New cohorts should retain as well as or better than old cohorts. If retention is declining, something shifted.

Increasing CAC without corresponding LTV increase. If it’s getting more expensive to acquire customers but they’re not worth more, your economics are deteriorating.

Customers using fewer features over time. Healthy products see increasing feature adoption as users mature. Declining feature usage signals disengagement.

Competitors mentioned more in churn surveys. If “we switched to [competitor]” becomes a common churn reason, you’re being outmaneuvered.

Longer sales cycles despite more resources. If you’ve hired sales reps and ramped up marketing but deals take longer to close, the market is telling you something.

Budgets are being allocated elsewhere. If your renewals are struggling because the clients don’t have the budget for your solution then you could be losing PMF as the team isn’t able to build a strong business case why they should keep your product – or continue paying the price you’re charging.

When to Embrace Feature Creep vs. Constrain It

This is nuanced. Some feature expansion is healthy and helps deepen the value for your core ICP. Some is poison, and dilutes your positioning by trying to serve everyone.

This is a really tricky one to navigate. At Unmetric we were focused exclusively on social media benchmarking and competitive analytics. As social media became less about great content and more about paid ads, budgets for social got reallocated from organic content to performance content. They cared less about what their competitors were doing organically and more on what ROI they were getting from their ads.

Unmetric could have built out features to start tracking ads and ad spend, but it would be a big pivot away from our core offering. In the end Unmetric was acquired to become a ‘feature’ of a larger social media publishing tool.

Embrace expansion when:

  • Customers with highest retention request it
  • It deepens the moat for your core use case
  • It’s logical progression of the job-to-be-done

Constrain expansion when:

  • It’s chasing a different ICP or use case
  • Your “very disappointed” users don’t care about it
  • It’s defensive (building features just because competitors have them)

Superhuman’s Rahul Vohra had a clear framework: only build features that increase the “very disappointed” percentage. If a feature request came from “not disappointed” users, it was a no.

Real Examples: Companies That Found PMF

Let’s look at how actual B2B SaaS companies found PMF, with links to founder interviews.

Clay: 5-Year Grind to Overnight Success

West Operators article on Clay’s evolution

Timeline: 2017-2022 (5 years)
The Struggle: Despite $16M from top VCs, only ~20 customers paying $30-200/month by January 2022. Positioning was too broad: “Build tools & workflows to supercharge your team.” Could be applied to literally anyone. No one knew what it meant.
The Breakthrough: Focused exclusively on GTM teams and sales agencies. Revenue grew 10x in a year.
Lesson: Even with great investors and a working product, finding the right positioning takes years.

Airtable: Years Competing with 30-Year-Old Spreadsheets

First Round Review: Airtable’s Path to PMF

Timeline: Started 2012, first enterprise customer 2016
The Struggle: “Before we had product-market fit, it was hard to describe the product.” Horizontal products that can do many things struggle with positioning.
The Breakthrough: Templates, use case clarity, and time. By 2016, they saw the product spreading “team to team” organically.
Lesson: High-quality horizontal products take even longer. Their MVP bar was incredibly high: competing with Excel.

Customer.io: 18 Months to $10K MRR, Then 10 Years to $70M

SaaS Club podcast with Colin Nederkoorn

Timeline: 18 months to $10K MRR, now $70M ARR
The Struggle: “Growth was painfully slow. We lived off savings and credit cards for years.” Struggled with positioning and messaging.
The Breakthrough: Content marketing. Colin learned conversion copywriting and educated his audience, building credibility before officially launching.
Lesson: Sometimes PMF comes from nailing go-to-market, not just product.

Gamma: The “First 30 Seconds” Strategy That Unlocked Viral Growth

PMF Show with Jon Noronha | Lenny’s Podcast with Grant Lee

Timeline: 3 years of building (2020-2023), then systematic 4-month rebuild, explosive growth March 2023

BEFORE: The PMF Problem (Pre-AI, 2020-2023)

Who they targeted: Design-forward professionals who wanted to create “beautiful presentations” but found PowerPoint limiting. Essentially trying to be “Canva for presentations.”

The pain they solved: Making presentations look modern and visually appealing without design skills.

Why it didn’t have PMF:

  • The problem wasn’t painful enough. PowerPoint is “good enough” for most people.
  • Their solution required too much work. Users still had to understand layouts, choose templates, drag-and-drop elements.
  • The product felt like “a toy, not real work.”
  • Won Product Hunt’s Product of the Day, Week, AND Month, but signups flatlined after the spike. No organic growth.
  • After 3 years: “just a few hundred users after burning millions.”

AFTER: The True PMF (Post-AI, March 2023+)

Who they target: Individual knowledge workers who need to create professional content rapidly without design expertise: founders creating pitch decks, consultants building client proposals, educators developing lesson plans, marketers making sales presentations, freelancers building portfolios.

The pain they solve: “I have messy ideas/notes/content and need a polished, professional presentation in minutes, not hours.”

Why THIS has PMF:

  • The pain is acute and frequent. Consultants create client decks weekly. Founders pitch constantly. Educators prepare lessons daily. This isn’t a “nice improvement” on an existing solution, it’s saving them 2-3 hours every time.
  • The alternative is terrible. 80% of users discovered Gamma from a friend or social media because they saw someone transform messy ideas into a polished deck in 30 seconds and thought “I need that.”
  • They deliberately DON’T target designers. Unlike Figma, Gamma expands market by not competing for design professionals. They’re for people who CAN’T or DON’T WANT TO design.
  • The job-to-be-done is clear. Not “make beautiful presentations” (vague). It’s “turn my rough content into client-ready materials in minutes” (specific, measurable, urgent).

The Specific ICP Who Love It:

  • Founders & marketers creating pitch decks and proposals quickly
  • Educators & trainers developing clean, engaging lesson materials
  • Consultants building client deliverables under time pressure
  • Remote teams needing web-based collaboration
  • Non-designers who want professional output without the learning curve

Who it’s NOT for (and Gamma knows it):

  • Data analysts needing complex, precise visualizations
  • Corporate teams locked into strict branding guidelines
  • Designers seeking pixel-perfect control
  • Teams requiring offline PowerPoint workflows

The Systematic Rebuild (Not Luck):

In early 2023 with only 12 months of runway left, CEO Grant Lee set a brutally simple rule: “The first 30 seconds in Gamma had to feel like a superpower.”

They gave themselves a 4-month sprint to completely rebuild the onboarding experience around AI. The team:

  1. Flattened the learning curve dramatically. The old version required users to “do so much work to just even comprehend what we were doing.” The new version: paste messy content or write a short prompt, watch Gamma turn it into a clean, structured presentation in 10 seconds.
  2. Made the “aha moment” instant. Within 30 seconds of signing up, you’ve already experienced Gamma’s magic. Most users click “Generate,” write 10-15 words, and watch AI create each element of their presentation live. They didn’t need time to slowly understand—they saw value immediately.
  3. Built experimentation into everything. Coming from Optimizely, the team runs experiments on 20-25 AI models simultaneously. They test different models, prompt strategies, layout patterns, diagram styles. For example, testing Claude 3 Haiku against their existing setup showed a 30% increase in user satisfaction, translating to 20% lift in free-to-paid conversion.
  4. Invested heavily in design taste. One-third of Gamma’s team are designers. The product wasn’t just fast, it was beautiful. Good design created delight and delight created sharing.

The Launch (March 2023):

Before AI: 8 months to reach 60,000 signups total
After AI: Less than one week to add the next 60,000 signups

They went from 2,000 → 5,000 → 10,000 → 20,000 signups per day. Organic growth picked up, word-of-mouth took off, retention curves looked healthier.

The Viral Moment (It Wasn’t Just Luck):

Yes, founder Grant Lee posted a provocative tweet and Paul Graham’s reply went viral (2,000 → 60,000 signups/day). But here’s what people miss: the viral traffic stuck because the product delivered on the promise.

The traffic spike was so massive their servers crashed for three days. But when they came back online, the surge continued. Users who’d experienced the ‘first 30 seconds magic’ were desperate to get back in. That wasn’t dumb luck. That was a product finally delivering on its promise.

Sure, the viral tweet was the accelerant but the fuel was the rebuilt onboarding that made every new user want to share.

After the Viral Moment (The Real Work):

Most startups would have immediately scaled marketing spend and hiring. Gamma did the opposite. Instead of “growth at any cost,” they tightened fundamentals:

  • Improved activation rates
  • Smoothed first-run experience
  • Strengthened retention curves
  • Made shareability frictionless

Only when data showed sustained pull did they layer on growth tactics:

Micro-Influencer Strategy: Grant personally onboarded early creators 1:1, teaching them to explain Gamma in their own voice. Focused on thousands of niche creators (educators, productivity experts) instead of celebrity mega-creators. LinkedIn converted 4-5x better than other platforms.

Product-Led Virality: Every Gamma created includes a “Made with Gamma” watermark. Collaboration features drive team expansion. The product itself became the growth loop.

Results:

Lesson: The Paul Graham tweet created a spike. But PMF came from systematically perfecting the first 30 seconds until the product was so delightful people couldn’t help but share it. Awards and press don’t equal PMF. Real PMF feels like “pull” not “push.” You know you have it when organic growth sustains itself without constant marketing.

Fast: What Happens When You Scale Without PMF

Timeline: Shut down April 2022 after ~2 years
The Problem: Burned $10M/month on only ~$600K annual revenue (200:1 ratio). Hired 400 employees before the product worked reliably.
Lesson: All the money and marketing in the world can’t fix a broken product-market fit. Fast had neither a working product nor real market demand.

When to Pivot: B2B SaaS Companies That Found PMF After Complete Reinvention

Sometimes the path to PMF requires abandoning your original vision entirely. These companies started building one thing, realized the market didn’t want it, and pivoted to something completely different, often keeping only their team or a small technical component.

Slack: From Failed Game to $27.7B Acquisition

Stewart Butterfield might be the king of pivots. His company Tiny Speck spent years building an online game called Glitch. The game launched in 2011, returned to beta, and by 2012, Butterfield declared it wasn’t viable.

But the internal communication tool they’d built to coordinate between US and Canadian offices? That was special.

Slack officially launched in 2014 and became a unicorn the same year. Four years later: 8 million daily active users, $7B+ valuation. 2021: Salesforce acquired Slack for $27.7 billion.

The pivot wasn’t obvious. Butterfield had to convince his team to shut down the game they’d spent years building. He conducted internal votes. The first vote went to continue the game. He campaigned harder. The second vote narrowly went to Slack. That democratic process was critical because he team had to feel bought in, even if it “wasn’t completely democratic.”

Lesson: Sometimes the side project you built to solve your own problem is the real product. Pay attention to what users actually love, not what you wish they loved.

Segment: Analytics Product Failed, Data Pipeline Thrived

Segment started trying to build a competitor for Google Analytics. To enable that, they built an SDK that could stream data to multiple destinations. Customers loved the SDK. Nobody used the analytics backend.

The product they’d intended to build failed. But they’d accidentally built something valuable: a customer data platform that became the infrastructure layer for thousands of companies.

That’s a true pivot because they kept the core technology (the SDK) but completely changed the value proposition, customer base, and go-to-market.

Flickr: From Game Feature to Photo Revolution

Before Slack, Stewart Butterfield co-founded Ludicorp, which developed another online game called Game Neverending. Embedded in that game was a photo-sharing feature called Flickr.

When they realized the limited financial potential of the game, they shut down Game Neverending and focused entirely on Flickr. It became one of the best photo-sharing platforms in the early 2000s.

Butterfield literally did this twice. Turned dying games into revolutionary communication platforms. Third time’s a charm?

The Difference Between Pivoting and Traveling

Not all pivots are created equal. SkyFlow CEO Anshu Sharma distinguishes between true “pivots” and what he calls “traveling”:

Traveling (Slack, Flickr): Completely new company. Nothing in common—different product, different customers, different GTM. You’re essentially shutting down one company and starting another.

True Pivot (Segment): Same core technology, but different value proposition or target market. You’re evolving, not reinventing.

Most successful “pivot” stories are actually traveling. And that’s fine—but understand the difference. Traveling requires more courage because you’re throwing away more.

When Should You Pivot?

Pivoting is brutal. You’re admitting your original vision was wrong. Your team might fracture. Sunk cost fallacy screams at you to keep going.

But here are signals it’s time to consider a complete pivot:

No organic pull after 18-24 months. If you’ve been building for two years and still relying entirely on outbound to get customers, the market might be telling you something.

Customers love a side feature more than the core product. Pay attention to usage data. If people are “misusing” your product in consistent ways, they’re showing you what they actually want.

Funding runway is short and growth is flat. If you have <12 months of runway and no path to breakout growth, a pivot might be your only option besides shutting down.

A massive market shift creates new opportunity. Gamma languished for 3 years, then ChatGPT dropped and they pivoted to AI-powered presentations. That timing was everything.

The hardest part? Distinguishing between “we haven’t found PMF yet” and “we’re building the wrong thing.” Clay took 5 years to find PMF but never fully pivoted—they just narrowed positioning. Gamma spent 3 years then completely pivoted to AI.

There’s no formula. But if you’re asking yourself “should we pivot,” you’re probably already 6 months late on making that decision.

Books & Resources for Going Deeper

Want to dive deeper into PMF? Here are the essential resources:

Books

Lean B2B: Build Products Businesses Want by Étienne Garbugli
The definitive guide to B2B customer development and PMF. Step-by-step process from idea to validated business model. Essential for B2B founders.

The Lean Product Playbook by Dan Olsen
Actionable framework for iterating to PMF. More software-product focused, great for established companies launching new products.

The Mom Test by Rob Fitzpatrick
How to talk to customers so they tell you the truth about whether your product sucks. Essential for customer development interviews.

Crossing the Chasm by Geoffrey Moore
Classic on moving from early adopters to mainstream market. Especially relevant for B2B SaaS selling to enterprises.

Communities & Forums

Indie Hackers – Founders sharing revenue, growth tactics, and PMF journeys in public
SaaS Club Community – Focused specifically on B2B SaaS growth and metrics
Lenny’s Newsletter Community – Product-focused, many PMF discussions
r/SaaS on Reddit – Active community of SaaS founders

Moving Forward: PMF Is a Milestone, Not a Destination

Here’s what to remember about product-market fit:

It takes longer than you think. Median is 2 years for B2B SaaS. Clay took 5. Airtable took 3-4. Don’t get discouraged at month 6.

It’s specific, not general. You don’t have PMF with “small businesses.” You have PMF with “sales agencies with 5-20 people who need to enrich prospect data daily.”

It’s measurable. The 40% rule gives you a concrete benchmark. Survey your most engaged users. If ≥40% would be very disappointed without you, you’re probably there.

It’s not permanent. Markets evolve. Stay paranoid. Keep measuring. Keep talking to customers.

Don’t scale before you have it. Hiring, marketing spend, fundraising—all should wait until PMF is clear. Premature scaling kills more startups than anything else.

Most importantly: PMF is the prerequisite for everything else. Until you have it, nothing else matters. Not your growth strategy, not your competitive moat, not your brand. Get PMF first. Then scale.

Now go survey your users. Ask them how disappointed they’d be if your product disappeared. If the answer is “very” from ≥40%, congratulations then you’ve found something rare. If not, you know exactly what to work on.

Oh, and if you made it this far…

Well done 🤗

5 reasons why (your) B2B SaaS startups fail

You’ve poured your heart into building a B2B SaaS product. The early customers love it. Your team believes in the vision. You’ve even raised some funding. You also know the unfortable truth that approximately 90% of SaaS startups fail, and 42% shut down because there’s simply no market need for what they’ve built, but that’s not going to happen to your startup, right?

Those of a delicate disposition might wish to stop reading and close the tab.

This article is not supposed to be a negative, bearish take on startups. It’s a cautionary tale of what to look out for on your journey to unicorn status.

Take, for example, Quibi, which managed to burn through an astonishing $1.75 billion before shutting down after just six months. Color Labs couldn’t survive despite a $41 million investment. Fast could only make $600k revenue from $124.5m invested.

Or, you could just be really unlucky (complacent?) like CloudNordic which was hit by a ransomware attack in 2023 that destroyed all customer data, forcing closure.

The scale is staggering.

In 2024 alone, 966 U.S. startups shut down—a 25.6% increase from 2023. These companies took an estimated $6-$8 billion of VC money with them to the grave. AngelList saw 364 winddowns in 2024, up from 233 in 2023. Each number represents visionary founders, inspired teams, and googly-eyed investors who lost everything.

Time PeriodFailure RateSurvival Rate
After Year 121.5%78.5%
After Year 2~30%~70%
After Year 548.4%51.6%
SaaS-Specific (3 years)92%8%

Sources: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, LinkedIn Research

Let’s dive into what really kills B2B SaaS companies, backed by data from real failures.

Source: CB Insights startup failure analysis

1. The Misaligned Problem: Wrong Pain, Wrong Frequency, Wrong Timing

Product-market fit isn’t binary, it exists on a spectrum. For B2B SaaS, you need a pain point that’s both acute and recurring. But there’s a third dimension that kills startups just as often: timing.

The Pain Frequency Problem

Your solution must address pain that recurs frequently enough to justify subscription revenue. A business might need tax filing once yearly and that’s real pain, but not frequent enough for $99/month SaaS.

Eventloot, a wedding planning SaaS, hadn’t built a platform that solved actual wedding planner problems. Delite, a B2B wholesale platform, didn’t satisfy any urgent customer necessity. RateMySpeech invested heavily in a product appealing to only 5% of their target market.

If customers only feel the pain quarterly or annually, you’re building a product business, not a subscription business, and different economics apply.

The Timing Trap: Too Early or Too Late

Market timing can make or break B2B SaaS. Be too early, and you’ll burn through capital educating a market that isn’t ready. Be too late, and you’re fighting established players.

Too Early = Death by Education Costs

When a category doesn’t exist yet for your product, educating your market why they should use your product risks burning through your runway before they are ready to use your product. The failed startup graveyard is littered with category creating products that were way ahead of their time, and, consequently, ahead of what the market wanted.

Webvan pioneered online grocery delivery in 1996, raising $800 million. They promised 30-minute delivery windows—a decade before the infrastructure existed. They burned $1.2 billion convincing people to buy groceries online when most barely trusted e-commerce. They collapsed in 2001. Twenty years later, Instacart executed the same model successfully.

Better Place raised substantial funding for EV battery-swapping technology but failed in 2013—years ahead of market readiness. Tesla proved the market existed, but only after building it slowly over a decade.

Thought Machine launched Vault, a cloud-native core banking platform, in the mid-2010s designed to replace legacy banking systems. The product was technically brilliant, but traditional banks weren’t ready to make that leap. The cultural and regulatory readiness simply wasn’t there yet.

Babylon Health faced similar resistance with its AI-driven healthcare solutions. The idea of AI handling medical consultations made healthcare providers and patients uncomfortable—it was simply too far ahead of current practices.

Unless you have OpenAI levels of funding, endeavour to not be a building a category-creating product. I guarantee it’ll end up as an example on this list.

The Multi-Year Grind to PMF

OK, but on the flip side, there are companies that survive long enough for the market to catch up. Clay took five years (2017-2022) to find product-market fit. Despite raising $16M from Sequoia and First Round, they had only ~20 customers paying $30-$200/month before January 2022. Their message was so broad it resonated with nobody.

The breakthrough came when they focused exclusively on GTM teams. Revenue grew 10x that year. But it required five years of iteration.

Airtable faced similar struggles. Co-founder Andrew Ofstad admits: “Before we had product-market fit, it was hard to describe the product.” They struggled to articulate value until customers finally understood. (Sidenote: I’m still not sure who Airtable is catering to. Suggestions in the comments, please!).

The difference? Clay and Airtable had patient capital and low burn. Webvan and Better Place had massive infrastructure costs demanding immediate adoption.

When the Market Moves On

Sometimes the timing problem isn’t being too early or too late—it’s being unable to adapt as the market evolves beneath you. Your product had a moment, but consumer behavior shifted, competitors executed better, or the entire category moved in a different direction.

Yammer, the enterprise social network Microsoft acquired for $1.2 billion in 2012, seemed poised to dominate corporate communications. I remember using Yammer back in 2012 and thought it was great having an internal social network for the company. When someone suggested we look at Slack I took a look and declared that we already had chat in the Google Workspace, why would we need another chat tool. (Needless to say, I’ve since changed my tone on Slack!).

When Microsoft launched Teams in 2016 as a direct competitor to Slack, it had better integration and a more modern approach, making Yammer irrelevant. By 2023, Microsoft killed the Yammer brand entirely, absorbing it into Viva Engage. The market didn’t disappear, it just moved to a better execution.

Evernote pioneered digital note-taking and reached 150 million users by 2015, with 9.6 million yearly downloads in 2017. Then came Notion, offering databases and customization. By 2023, Evernote’s downloads had plummeted 82% to just 1.7 million. The market wanted connected workspaces, not just note storage. Evernote couldn’t pivot fast enough.

Hootsuite tells perhaps the most complete story of a market that moved on. Founded in 2008, Hootsuite pioneered social media management when brands were racing to build organic social presence. At its peak, the company had 1,400+ employees and was planning a $200 million IPO.

But the market fundamentally shifted: brands moved from creating organic social content to running paid ads, dramatically reducing their need for scheduling and publishing tools. Simultaneously, their entire product became a checkbox feature in platforms like HubSpot and what was once a standalone business got commoditized into marketing automation suites.

The result has been brutal with repeated layoffs: 30% of staff in August 2022 (400 people), another 5% in November 2022, 70 more in January 2023, and another 20% (hundreds more) in October 2025. They postponed their IPO indefinitely. The market didn’t disappear, brands still post on social media, it just stopped needing a dedicated tool for something that became a feature.

The pattern repeats: Box and Dropbox pioneered file sync but were commoditized when Google Drive and OneDrive bundled it for free. Google Docs eliminated the need for file syncing entirely. Basecamp created project management but watched Asana, Monday.com, and ClickUp capture the market with modern interfaces and deeper features.

These weren’t bad products that failed to find PMF. They had product-market fit. The problem? The market evolved, and they didn’t evolve with it fast enough. Either their product roadmap couldn’t keep pace, their architecture made pivoting too expensive, or they were simply outmaneuvered by more agile competitors.

The brutal truth: Even when you nail product-market fit, you’re racing against time before someone builds something better or the market shifts. The companies that survive aren’t just the ones that find PMF—they’re the ones that can continuously re-find it as the market moves.

2. The Platform Dependency Trap: When Your Foundation Crumbles

Building your business on someone else’s platform means accepting existential risk. Social media analytics destroyed by API restrictions. Scheduling apps killed by policy changes. Integration tools worthless overnight.

The Twitter API Massacre

In 2023, Twitter increased API pricing from free to as much as $42,000 per month. For analytics platforms built on Twitter data, this wasn’t a price increase—it was extinction.

I’ve spoken with founders of social media analytics companies entirely dependent on platform APIs. When networks became restrictive about data, their ability to deliver insights evaporated. Customers churned because the product couldn’t provide promised value. The ground simply disappeared beneath their feet.

Apollo calculated that Reddit’s API pricing would cost them $1.7 million monthly. The app shut down. PostMyParty saw seven years of work jeopardized when Meta shut down API access, affecting 10,000+ customers.

CartHook, a Shopify app for post-purchase upsells, thrived until Shopify restricted their core functionality. They had to pivot completely and rebuild from scratch—years of work worthless.

Perhaps the most infamous example of platform dependency is Zynga. The gaming company behind FarmVille reached 60 million daily users and made up 19% of Facebook’s revenue in 2011. Their IPO filing acknowledged their “potentially fatal flaw”: a complete dependence on Facebook’s platform. When Facebook ended their special relationship in 2012 and changed payment policies to take a larger revenue cut, Zynga’s fate was sealed. The company survived only because they eventually diversified, but it cost them years and billions in market value.

The False Security of Platforms

Early on, platforms love third-party developers. They talk about “ecosystems” and “partnerships.” But platforms embrace developers until those developers become competitive threats.

How to Reduce Platform Risk:

  • Diversify data sources—don’t rely on one platform
  • Own your customer relationships directly
  • Build proprietary value beyond the underlying data
  • Have contingency plans if your primary API disappears

Platform risk is often unavoidable early on and in many instances is a smart move as you gain a network effect by building for an existing, captive market. But understand that every API call is a potential single point of failure for your business.

3. The Money Problem: When Unit Economics Don’t Work

According to CB Insights, 38% of startups fail because they run out of cash. But “running out of cash” is really a symptom: failure to find a market that needs your product so badly that they are willing to pay for it, poor unit economics, unsustainable customer acquisition costs, and broken pricing.

The Customer Acquisition Cost Death Spiral

Your customer lifetime value (CLV) must significantly exceed your customer acquisition cost (CAC). Ideally 3:1 or better. Many startups discover too late their CAC is simply too high.

An enterprise SaaS might spend $15,000 to acquire a customer paying $500/month. That’s 30 months to break even. But at 3% monthly churn, average customer lifetime is 33 months. You’re barely breaking even on acquisition, let alone covering operational expenses.

The Churn Rate Reality

Churn silently kills SaaS businesses. It’s possibly the most important metric that a SaaS company can track. According to 2025 Recurly research, median monthly churn is 3.5%. For smaller startups, rates can hit 5-10% monthly.

Source: Recurly 2025 Churn Report, Cobloom Research

At 5% monthly churn, you’re replacing your entire customer base every 20 months. You’re not building a business, you’re filling a leaky bucket. This is why so many SaaS companies hit the $20-$30m glass ceiling and fail to grow from there. They can bring in new customers every month but even at modest churn rates they are simply replacing the revenue that they’re losing.

The Everpix Cautionary Tale

Everpix had a beautiful product users loved, raising $2.3 million from respected investors. But they had negative gross margins—spending more to acquire and serve customers than those customers would ever pay.

When it came time to pay Amazon Web Services, Everpix ran out of cash and shut down in 2013. Their P&L: $566,000 in legal costs, $360,000 in operations, $1.4 million in salaries for seven employees—against only $254,000 in revenue. The math didn’t work.

Successful SaaS startups obsess over unit economics. They know their CAC by channel, track cohort retention religiously, and understand exactly when they’ll achieve profitability. Failed ones discover their economics are broken when it’s too late.

The Fast way to spend $124.5m of VC money

Fast was aiming to take on Shopify with its one-click checkout. It raised $124.5m to take on this challenge, but the unit economics had a galaxy-sized hole in them. They were spending $10m per month on an annual revenue of $600k. By comparison, Bolt, one of their competitors, was doing $40m a year in the same period.

4. The Technical Reality Gap: When Reliability Doesn’t Match Marketing

B2B SaaS startups fail when they promise what their technology can’t deliver. Like Elon Musk. The sales pitch is compelling, demos polished, but the software just doesn’t work. This gap creates trust problems that are hard to recover from.

When Technical Debt Becomes Bankruptcy

According to a 2024 survey, 80% of leaders reported technical debt caused delays and higher costs. For startups, these delays are fatal.

Sources: Morning Consult/Unqork Survey 2024, Virtusa Research

Zeus Living is a perfect example. The furnished housing rental startup exploded during the pandemic when remote work surged. They invested heavily in 2021 to “get more homes.” But when interest rates spiked post-pandemic, their infrastructure couldn’t adapt. The company couldn’t pivot its technical architecture or business model fast enough.

Rubica, a cybersecurity SaaS, had the right product at the right time. But when COVID-19 hit, their target customers cut spending dramatically. They couldn’t adapt their go-to-market strategy fast enough.

Fast, which I talked about earlier, also talked a good talk, but merchants found it hard to integrate, their customers found the checkout button buggy, and the product didn’t live up to the marketing hype the company had whipped up.

Building Reliability While Moving Fast

Successful startups invest in monitoring from day one, practice defensive coding with automated testing, plan for scale even when small, and are honest with customers about capabilities.

A stark recent example is 11x.ai, an AI SDR platform that raised $74 million from top VCs like Andreessen Horowitz and Benchmark. The technology promised to replace human sales development reps with AI agents. But the company experienced 70-80% churn rates because the product simply didn’t deliver on its slick marketing promise.

ZoomInfo reported the AI “performed significantly worse than our SDR employees.” One customer used it for six months and booked zero meetings. The technology couldn’t match the marketing promise, leading to massive customer churn and eventual scandal.

Allegedly 11x was able to show sales traction by signing on clients with generous money back guarantees locked into the contract – and many companies activated that money back guarantee. However (allegedly) 11x was less than diligent with their book keeping to say that the customer had churned and money had been returned.

The fastest way to kill a SaaS startup isn’t slow development, it’s building something that doesn’t work as advertised. In B2B sales, trust is everything.

5. The Team Problem: When Human Issues Sink the Ship

Technology problems can be fixed. Product problems can be pivoted. But team problems? Often terminal. According to CB Insights, 23% of startups fail due to not having the right team.

Co-Founder Conflict

You started with shared vision. But as the company grows, cracks appear. Disagreements on direction, complementary skills becoming conflict, unequal weight pulling. Co-founder conflict contributes significantly to failures. This conflict bleeds into the organization. Teams pick sides. Decision-making halts. Best employees leave.

The Hiring Mistakes

Zirtual, a virtual assistant marketplace, is a cautionary tale. High burn rate and management issues brought the firm to bankruptcy. Despite customers who loved the service, internal dysfunction destroyed the business.

Freshconnect failed after mistakes with team focus and bad hiring. Co-founder Tarun couldn’t secure additional funding. Not because the market didn’t exist, but because the team couldn’t execute. The company was acqui-hired, with most of the original team laid off.

The Acquihire Reality

Let’s talk about what actually happens when B2B SaaS startups fail. Media reports “acquisitions” and “acqui-hires” as success stories. But the reality for most team members is brutal.

In typical acquihires, the acquiring company buys talent, not your product. The sales and engineering team are often kept on, everyone else is dead weight. Marketers are usually the first casualty of any cost cutting. The company cherry-picks who they want, usually founders, key engineers, and the top performing sales people. Everyone else? Laid off.

In 2024-2025, we saw “reverse acquihires” where tech giants poached entire teams from AI startups without buying companies. Character AI had Google license their technology for $2.7 billion and hire their co-founders, leaving the rest to fend for themselves. Adept, once valued at $1 billion, saw Amazon hire key staff while the company struggled.

I’ve even heard stories of startups being ‘acquired’ only for it to be an IP acquisition, not a company acquisition. The tenured staff with vested stock options get nothing because the company hasn’t been acquired, only the technology and IP. Absolutely brutal stuff.

These aren’t success stories. They’re soft landings for founders while everyone else faces unemployment.

The Fatal Mistake: Scaling Before PMF

This is the most seductive trap: you raise Series A, and everyone expects you to “act like a real company.” So you hire aggressively. VP of Sales from Oracle. Growth Marketing guru from the billion dollar SaaS brand. Sales development team. You go from 5 to 25 people in six months.

One problem: you haven’t found product-market fit yet.

No sales talent can fix a product nobody wants. No growth marketing can create demand where none exists. When you scale before nailing product and go-to-market, you’re pouring gasoline on an unlit fire.

Better scaled to 8,000 employees during the 2020-2021 real estate boom. When interest rates rose, they faced brutal layoffs. The CEO fired 900 employees over Zoom in 2021, then continued cuts through 2024.

The Messenger launched in May 2023 with 300+ staff and imploded in 8 months. They burned $50 million while generating only $3 million in revenue. By January 2024, they shut down completely, letting all 300 staff go with zero severance.

Moxion Power raised $100 million Series B in 2022 to scale manufacturing. By July 2024, they suddenly furloughed all 400 employees. By August, they filed for Chapter 7 with $100-500 million in liabilities. They grew too quickly before resolving technical issues or achieving sustainable sales.

Fast added 400 staff members, paid eye-watering sums of money to celebrities, and spent lavishly on offices and perks, all before they had a product that the market wanted. They closed down having taken $124.5m of VC money, and made just $600k a year. For every $200 they spent, they managed to turn that into just $1.

The 2020-2021 Funding Aftermath

The premature scaling epidemic worsened because of 2020-2021. Many startups received seed funding “probably before they were ready”. Rapid capital encouraged high burn rates and “growth-at-all-costs mentalities.”

The result? In 2024, 966 startups shut down, up 25.6% from 2023. More than 95,000 U.S. tech workers were laid off in 2024 alone.

Most weren’t companies with bad products. They failed because they scaled too fast, hired too many people, and burned through capital before proving their business models.

If you’re going to build a sales organization, here’s the only sequence that works:

The right sequence:

  1. Founders sell until 20-50 deals (repeatable process)
  2. Hire first sales rep to validate it can be taught
  3. Only after that rep succeeds, hire sales leader
  4. Scale gradually as each stage proves out

Skip steps, and you’re pouring money into a team that can’t succeed because the fundamentals aren’t proven yet.

Moving Forward: What Sets Survivors Apart

If 90% of SaaS startups fail, what makes the 10% different?

They validated pain frequency before scaling. They diversified away from platform risk. They obsessed over unit economics. They built reliability into their DNA. They got the people right.

What you can do right now:

Validate pain frequency. Talk to 20 potential customers. Ask how often they experience your problem. If “occasionally” or “quarterly,” rethink your model.

Be prepared to take the most difficult decisions of your life if you discover that the need your product is addressing doesn’t have a market or a recurring frequency, like Ishita Arora did when she shut down her startup, DaySlice and returned what was left of the investor money.

Toni Hohlbein took the impossible decision to shutdown GrowBlocks when it became apparent that SaaS companies didn’t have the hair-on-fire pain when it came to revenue operations. Sales leaders couldn’t explain the value to the CFO of paying $30k for a dashboard that helped visualize their sales operations.

Assess platform risk. List every external dependency. What happens if each disappears tomorrow? If “game over,” start diversifying.

Know your numbers. Calculate actual CAC by channel, churn rate by cohort, and CLV. If the math doesn’t work now, it won’t at 10x scale.

Audit technical debt. Be honest about corners cut. Pay down debt before it compounds.

Evaluate your team. Are the right people aligned on the mission? Are you creating an environment for their best work?

Don’t be dismissive of new trends. The market you have product-market fit in today might shift tomorrow. Someone with better UX, modern tech stack, or smarter positioning can render you obsolete. Build a culture of continuous improvement and customer obsession. Talk to users weekly. Watch competitors monthly.

Ask yourself quarterly: “If we were starting today, would we still build it this way?” If the answer is no, start evolving before a more agile competitor forces you to.

The B2B SaaS market is brutal. Immense competition, high expectations, razor-thin margins for error. But understanding why companies fail is the first step to being one that succeeds.

Your startup might face all five challenges. The question isn’t whether you’ll encounter these problems, it’s whether you’ll recognize them early enough to act.

Reviewed: The best AI notetaking tools for meetings (2026 update)

If you’re a founder, solopreneur, or team lead juggling back-to-back meetings, you already know the painful reality: you’re either fully present in the conversation or frantically scribbling notes. You can’t do both well.

Here’s what finally pushed me to test every major AI notetaking tool on the market. According to Microsoft’s 2025 Work Trend Index, employees are interrupted every two minutes during core work hours – up to 275 times a day – by meetings, emails, and chats. The average worker receives 153 Teams messages and 117 emails daily. And 57% of the average employee’s time is spent in meetings, email, and chat rather than actual productive work.

When meetings consume this much of your day, capturing what actually matters becomes critical. Miss one key decision or action item, and you’re stuck scheduling another meeting just to clarify what happened in the first one.

I spent three months testing over a dozen AI meeting notetakers, running them through real client calls, team syncs, and investor meetings. I evaluated each one on transcription accuracy, summary quality, integration capabilities, pricing, and that often-overlooked factor: whether the tool actually fits into how busy founders work.

Here are the 5 best AI notetaking tools that genuinely deliver for people who don’t have time to babysit their productivity tools.

The Real Cost of Not Using an AI Meeting Notetaker

Before diving into the tools, let’s talk numbers. Research from Fellow.ai’s 2025 survey found that 75% of professionals now use an AI note-taker in their work meetings. This isn’t a nice-to-have anymore – it’s becoming standard workplace infrastructure.

The productivity math is straightforward. If you spend 15 minutes after each meeting writing up notes and action items, and you have 5 meetings a day, that’s over 6 hours per week just on meeting documentation. Tools like MeetGeek report their users see a 30% boost in productivity by eliminating unnecessary follow-up meetings and reducing documentation time.

Source: Microsoft Work Trend Index 2025, Fellow.ai Research

But here’s what surprised me most during my research: 50% of people who don’t use AI notetakers cite privacy and security as their main concern. And 84% of users say they change how they speak when an AI note-taker is present. This matters because if a tool makes your meetings feel awkward or surveilled, it’s actually hurting productivity, not helping it.

That’s why I’ve included both bot-based and bot-free options in my recommendations below.

1. Fathom – Best Free AI Notetaker for Individuals

If you’re bootstrapping or just want to try AI notetaking without commitment, Fathom is where I’d start. Their free tier is genuinely unlimited – unlimited recordings, unlimited transcription, unlimited storage. That’s not a typo, and it’s not a 14-day trial.

What Makes Fathom Stand Out

Fathom was built by the founder of UserVoice, and you can tell they understand what busy professionals actually need. The tool focuses on doing a few things exceptionally well rather than trying to be everything to everyone.

During my testing, Fathom consistently delivered summaries within 30 seconds of a meeting ending. That speed matters when you’re jumping from one call to the next and need to fire off action items while context is fresh. The transcription accuracy hovered around 95% for clear English audio with good microphones.

The native CRM integration with HubSpot and Salesforce is particularly valuable for sales-focused founders. Meeting notes automatically sync to your CRM records, eliminating the data entry that usually falls through the cracks.

Fathom’s Limitations

The free plan restricts AI-powered summaries and action items to 5 meetings per month. After that, you get recordings and transcripts but need to do your own analysis. For occasional meeting takers, that’s fine. For heavy users, you’ll want to upgrade.

There’s also no mobile app as of late 2025, which is a notable gap if you take calls from your phone frequently. And like most AI notetakers, Fathom uses a visible bot that joins your meetings as a participant. Some clients find this awkward – I’ve had prospects ask about it mid-call.

Fathom Pricing

  • Free: Unlimited recordings and transcription, 5 AI summaries/month
  • Premium: $19/user/month (billed monthly) or ~$15/month annually
  • Team Edition: $29/user/month with collaboration features
  • Team Edition Pro: $39/user/month with advanced coaching and analytics

2. Fireflies.ai – Best for Comprehensive Features and Integrations

When you need an AI notetaker that can handle complex workflows and integrate with practically anything, Fireflies.ai is the tool I recommend. It’s not the cheapest option, but the feature depth justifies the investment for teams running serious operations.

What Makes Fireflies Stand Out

Fireflies supports transcription in over 100 languages – more than any other tool I tested. If you’re running a distributed team or selling internationally, this matters. The accuracy held up well even in my tests with non-native English speakers.

The AI Apps feature launched in 2025 is genuinely innovative. Fireflies has built over 200 pre-built AI workflows that automate everything from CRM data logging to generating follow-up emails to creating content calendars from meeting discussions. For a team lead managing multiple departments, this level of automation is transformative.

I particularly appreciated the conversation intelligence features on the Business plan. You get talk-time analytics, sentiment analysis, and topic tracking across meetings. This is invaluable for sales coaching or understanding how your team communicates.

Plan Monthly Price Storage AI Summaries Best For
Free $0 800 minutes Limited (20 credits) Testing the platform
Pro $10/user (annual) 8,000 minutes Unlimited Individual professionals
Business $19/user (annual) Unlimited Unlimited + Analytics Growing teams
Enterprise $39/user (annual) Unlimited + Private Full suite + SSO Large organizations

Source: Fireflies.ai Official Pricing (January 2025)

Fireflies’ Limitations

The AI credit system is confusing. While plans advertise “unlimited summaries,” advanced features like AskFred (their AI assistant) consume credits that can run out. I’ve seen users report unexpected charges when they relied heavily on AI features. Read the fine print carefully.

The free plan’s 800-minute storage limit also fills up faster than you’d expect if you’re recording multiple meetings daily. Plan on upgrading within a month or two of regular use.

Fireflies Pricing

  • Free: 800 minutes storage, 20 AI credits/month
  • Pro: $10/user/month (annual) – unlimited transcription, 8,000 minutes storage
  • Business: $19/user/month (annual) – unlimited everything, video recording, team analytics
  • Enterprise: $39/user/month – SSO, HIPAA, private storage

3. Otter.ai – Best for Live Collaboration and Real-Time Transcription

Otter.ai pioneered the AI meeting assistant category, and they’ve continued innovating. If live transcription during the meeting matters to you – not just a summary afterward – Otter remains the gold standard.

What Makes Otter Stand Out

Otter’s real-time transcription is genuinely useful in ways I didn’t expect. During a meeting, I can see the transcript updating live, highlight key moments, and add comments without leaving the call. For complex negotiations or detailed technical discussions, being able to mark important statements as they happen is invaluable.

The collaboration features also set Otter apart. Team members can access shared transcripts, add comments, highlight sections, and collaborate on meeting notes in real-time. It functions almost like a Google Doc for your conversations.

For sales teams, OtterPilot for Sales automatically handles administrative tasks like extracting insights and pushing them to Salesforce or HubSpot. Users report up to 95% transcription accuracy in ideal conditions, though this drops with background noise or heavy accents.

Otter’s Limitations

Here’s my biggest gripe with Otter: none of their plans offer unlimited transcription. The free plan caps you at 300 minutes per month with a 30-minute limit per conversation. That 30-minute limit is brutal – most business meetings run 45-60 minutes, which means your transcription cuts off mid-meeting.

Even the paid plans have caps. Pro gives you 1,200 minutes monthly; Business gives you 6,000. If your team has heavy meeting loads, you’ll need to carefully monitor usage or face overage charges.

Video replay is also locked behind the Enterprise tier, which starts around $17,000-31,000 annually according to third-party pricing data from Vendr. That’s a steep jump from the Business plan just to get video playback.

Otter Pricing

  • Free: 300 minutes/month, 30 minutes per conversation, 3 lifetime file uploads
  • Pro: $8.33/user/month (annual) – 1,200 minutes/month, 90 minutes per conversation
  • Business: $20/user/month (annual) – 6,000 minutes/month, 4 hours per conversation
  • Enterprise: Custom pricing – video replay, advanced security

4. Granola – Best Bot-Free Privacy-First Option

If the visible bot joining your meetings feels awkward or you’re dealing with clients who are uncomfortable being recorded, Granola offers a fundamentally different approach. It’s bot-free, capturing audio directly from your device without any participant joining your call.

What Makes Granola Stand Out

Granola raised $43 million in May 2025 on top of a $20 million Series A the year before. That funding reflects serious market confidence in the “invisible AI assistant” approach.

The experience is genuinely different. You start a Zoom or Google Meet call, and Granola just runs in the background. No bot pops up in the participant list. No awkward moment explaining why “Granola Notetaker” just joined. For client-facing calls, investor meetings, or any situation where you want to stay fully present without tech intrusions, this matters.

The “memo + AI” workflow is also clever. You can jot quick notes during the meeting – keywords, thoughts, questions – and Granola combines your notes with the full transcript to generate more relevant summaries. In my testing, this hybrid approach produced better action items than tools relying purely on automatic analysis.

Source: Fellow.ai 2025 Survey on AI Meeting Tool Adoption

Granola’s Limitations

Privacy isn’t free – literally. Model training opt-out is only default for Enterprise customers. On other plans, you have to manually opt out in settings. For a privacy-first tool, that’s an awkward compromise.

The free plan is also limited to 25 meetings lifetime – not 25 per month, 25 total. That’s essentially a trial, not a usable free tier. And Granola currently only supports Google Workspace accounts, which excludes anyone on personal Gmail or Microsoft 365.

Speaker attribution in group calls can be inconsistent since Granola isn’t tied to individual audio streams like bot-based tools are. In fast-paced discussions with multiple voices, you may need to clean up who said what.

Granola Pricing

  • Free: 25 meetings lifetime (essentially a trial)
  • Individual: $18/month – unlimited meetings for solo users
  • Business: $14/user/month – team features, shared knowledge
  • Enterprise: Starting at $35/user/month – model training opt-out by default

5. tl;dv – Best for Sales Teams and CRM Integration

For teams where every meeting is a revenue opportunity, tl;dv (short for “too long; didn’t view”) focuses specifically on turning conversations into actionable sales intelligence.

What Makes tl;dv Stand Out

The multi-meeting analysis is where tl;dv really differentiates. Instead of just summarizing individual calls, the tool can analyze patterns across dozens or hundreds of meetings. Sales managers can track objection patterns, feature request trends, or competitive mentions across their entire team’s calls.

The CRM auto-sync is also more sophisticated than most competitors. tl;dv doesn’t just push notes to Salesforce – it automatically updates deal stages, logs activities, and can even draft follow-up emails based on meeting content. For sales operations, this level of automation eliminates hours of manual data entry weekly.

The free tier is generous for what it is: unlimited meeting recordings and viewers, with transcription in 30+ languages. You’re limited to 10 AI notes per month, but unlimited basic transcription means you can capture everything and manually review if needed.

tl;dv’s Limitations

The free plan’s 10 AI note limit gets restrictive quickly if you have more than 2-3 meetings weekly. And the paid plans jump significantly in price – Pro is $18-29/month per user depending on billing, while Business is $59-98/month per user.

I also encountered some interface issues during testing. The UI has visual bugs, transcript editing is limited, and the overall experience feels less polished than Fireflies or Otter. For a tool focused on sales teams who value professionalism, the rough edges are noticeable.

Custom vocabulary support is missing entirely – you can’t add technical terms, product names, or industry jargon to improve transcription accuracy. For specialized industries like biotech, legal, or finance, this means constant manual corrections.

tl;dv Pricing

  • Free: Unlimited recordings and viewers, 10 AI notes/month
  • Pro: $18/user/month (annual) or $29/month – unlimited AI features
  • Business: $59/user/month (annual) or $98/month – sales coaching, AI speaker insights
  • Enterprise: Custom pricing – dedicated success manager

How to Choose the Right AI Notetaker for Your Needs

After testing all five tools extensively, here’s my decision framework based on different scenarios:

If You Need… Choose This Tool Why
Best free option Fathom Truly unlimited free recordings and transcription
Most integrations and features Fireflies 200+ AI apps, 100+ languages, deep workflow automation
Live collaboration during meetings Otter Real-time transcription with team commenting and highlighting
No bot in meetings / privacy-first Granola Invisible operation, device-level audio capture
Sales-focused with CRM automation tl;dv Multi-meeting analysis, automated deal updates

Based on hands-on testing across real meeting scenarios

For Solo Founders and Bootstrapped Startups

Start with Fathom’s free plan. You get unlimited recordings forever, which lets you build a searchable archive of every conversation without spending a dollar. When you start hitting the 5 AI summary limit regularly, that’s your signal to evaluate whether the Premium upgrade makes sense.

For Growing Teams (5-20 people)

Fireflies Business offers the best balance of features and value. The unlimited storage, team analytics, and extensive integrations justify the $19/user/month investment. The conversation intelligence features help managers stay informed without sitting in on every call.

For Client-Facing Roles

If clients regularly comment on meeting bots or you sense discomfort when asking for recording consent, Granola solves the problem elegantly. The invisible operation maintains meeting flow and eliminates awkward explanations.

For Sales-Driven Organizations

tl;dv with its multi-meeting analysis and CRM automation is purpose-built for sales operations. The ability to track objection patterns and competitive mentions across your entire team’s calls provides insights that individual meeting summaries can’t match.

Quick Accuracy Comparison: How Do These Tools Actually Perform?

I ran the same test script through all five tools to compare transcription accuracy. The script included industry jargon, non-native English speakers, and some intentional crosstalk to stress-test the systems.

Source: Personal testing with standardized test script (January 2025)

Key findings from my testing:

  • Clear audio with native speakers: All tools performed within 3% of each other (92-96% accuracy)
  • Non-native English speakers: tl;dv and Fathom handled accents best
  • Technical jargon: Fireflies’ 100+ language support helped with international terminology
  • Crosstalk and overlapping speakers: Bot-based tools (Otter, Fireflies, tl;dv) significantly outperformed Granola’s device-audio approach

The takeaway? Transcription accuracy is largely a solved problem for normal meeting conditions. The differentiators are in features, pricing, and workflow fit – not raw transcription quality.

The Bottom Line: My Personal Recommendations

After three months of testing, here’s how I actually use these tools in my own workflow:

Primary tool: Fathom – I use it for 80% of my meetings. The free unlimited tier means I never worry about hitting caps, and the 30-second summary delivery fits my rapid meeting schedule.

Secondary tool: Granola – For sensitive client calls, investor conversations, or any meeting where I want to be fully present without tech distractions, Granola’s invisible operation is worth the subscription.

Team deployment: Fireflies – When I help other founders set up their teams, Fireflies’ comprehensive feature set and robust integrations make it the easiest recommendation for organizations that need everything working together.

The AI meeting notetaker market has matured significantly. All five tools I’ve covered deliver genuine productivity gains – the question is which one fits your specific workflow, budget, and privacy requirements.

Start with free tiers to test the experience. Pay attention to how the tool makes you feel during meetings, not just what it produces afterward. And remember: the best AI notetaker is the one you’ll actually use consistently.


Key Takeaways

  • 75% of professionals now use AI meeting notetakers – this is becoming standard workplace infrastructure
  • Fathom offers the most generous free tier with unlimited recordings and transcription
  • Fireflies provides the deepest integrations and automation capabilities for teams
  • Granola is the only bot-free option that doesn’t join meetings as a participant
  • Privacy matters: 84% of users change how they speak when AI is recording
  • Test free tiers before committing – all five tools offer ways to try before you buy

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Reviewed: The Best Free Design Tools (2026 Update)

I’ve used a lot of graphic design tools over the years. Some because I had no choice, others because I was actively looking for something better than Canva. I’ve designed landing pages, blog headers, pitch decks, social ads, UI mockups, onboarding screens, and more, often under time pressure and without a dedicated designer.

What I’ve learned is that “graphic design tool” is a broad category. Some tools are built for speed, some for collaboration, some for precision, and some for people who actively dislike design work. This list reflects that reality.

Below are the best graphic design tools I’ve personally used or seriously evaluated, along with when they actually make sense to use.

Quick comparison table

ToolBest forWhy I’d use it
CanvaFast visualsLowest friction, decent results
FigmaSerious designPrecision and collaboration
Adobe ExpressMarketing teamsCanva with Adobe polish
Affinity DesignerPower usersAdobe-level without subscriptions
VismePresentationsStructured, polished outputs
VistaCreateSocial graphicsCanva-like, different template feel
SnappaSpeedAlmost zero learning curve
PiktochartInfographicsData-heavy visuals
EasilBrand controlGuardrails for teams
StencilBloggingSimple blog and social images

Pricing comparison

Here’s a clear comparison table showing free tier availability and entry-level pricing for each graphic design tool we talked about. I’m using typical or commonly available pricing where possible. Actual pricing may vary by region or promotions, so consider this a realistic baseline rather than a guaranteed up-to-the-penny quote.

ToolFree Tier?Free Tier LimitationsEntry-Level PaidWhat You Get at Entry Level
CanvaYesLimited templates/assets, limited brand kits, some export features locked~$12.99/mo ProBrand kits, full asset library, advanced export, Magic Resize
FigmaYes3 projects limit, no team libraries~$12/editor/moUnlimited projects, team libraries, better permissions
Adobe ExpressYesLimited templates, Adobe watermark on some exports~$9.99/moFull template library, removes branding, premium assets
Affinity DesignerNo (one-time purchase)N/A — fully paid outright~$55 (one time)Full desktop app, no subscription
VismeYesWatermarked exports, template restrictions~$15–$25/moFull templates, branding controls, no watermarks
VistaCreateYesMany premium templates/assets locked~$10/moFull asset library and export options
SnappaYesLimited downloads per month~$10–$15/moUnlimited downloads, full assets
EasilYesLimited exports/templates~$7–$20/moBrand kits, better templates, more downloads
StencilYesMonthly download cap~$9/moUnlimited downloads/assets
SketchNo free tier (trial only)N/A~$9/moApp access, basic features
InkscapeYes (open source)No limitations, but less polishFreeFull app
GIMPYes (open source)No limitations, dated UIFreeFull app
PhotopeaYesAds, some export limits~$5–$7/moRemoves ads, faster performance
PixlrYesAds, restricted features~$5–$10/moAd removal, additional assets
PiktochartYesLimited exports/templates, watermarks~$10–$20/moRemoves watermarks, more templates/assets

1. Canva

I’ve used Canva more times than I can count, usually when I needed something quickly and didn’t want to think too hard. It’s the tool I open when a designer isn’t available or when the output just needs to be “good enough”. Social posts, blog headers, internal slides, one-off visuals. It’s hard to beat for speed.

Where Canva starts to frustrate me is when I try to be precise. Spacing can feel slippery, alignment isn’t always predictable, and once you care about consistency across multiple assets, things get messy fast. It’s also very easy to end up with designs that look like everyone else’s, even if you start with good intentions.

I still use Canva, but I treat it like fast food. Useful, convenient, and occasionally necessary. Just not where I want to spend all my time.

Free tier limits: The free version is generous for basics, but many template packs, brand kit features, and export options (like transparent PNGs and animated exports) are locked behind paid plans.

Paid plan: Canva Pro starts at around $12.99/month (discounts if paid annually). Upgrading gets you brand kits, more assets, Magic Resize, priority support, and a much larger library.

AI features: Canva has built-in image generation and text-to-image, background removal, and layout suggestions. It’s useful for filling gaps quickly, though the outputs can feel generic.

Best for: Non-designers, fast turnaround
Not great for: Complex layouts, brand rigor

2. Figma

Figma was the point where I stopped fighting my tools. The first time I used it properly, it was obvious this wasn’t just a design app, it was a collaboration tool pretending to be one. I’ve used it for landing pages, UI mockups, onboarding flows, and even structured marketing diagrams.

The big difference for me is control. Things line up properly. Components behave predictably. When something looks wrong, it’s usually my fault, not the tool’s. Collaboration is also genuinely good. I can work alongside designers or developers without version chaos.

The tradeoff is learning curve. If you’re coming from Canva, Figma can feel intimidating at first. But once it clicks, everything else starts to feel limiting.

Free tier limits: The free plan lets you have 3 projects and unlimited personal files, but team libraries and advanced versioning require a paid tier.

Paid plan: Figma Professional is about $12/editor/month. That unlocks shared libraries, team projects, and better permissions.

AI features: Figma has plugins with AI assistance (like auto-layout helpers and content generation), but they’re generally third-party rather than baked in.

Best for: SaaS teams, collaboration, precision
Downside: Steeper learning curve than Canva

3. Adobe Express

I came to Adobe Express expecting a Canva clone and ended up using it more than I thought I would. It’s clearly aimed at marketers rather than designers, and that shows in the templates and workflows.

What stood out to me was typography and brand handling. Things tend to look more “finished” without as much effort. If you already trust Adobe as a brand, Express feels like a safer, more professional option than Canva.

That said, it’s still very template-driven. I don’t reach for it when I want full creative freedom. I use it when I want speed, polish, and fewer surprises.

Free tier limits: Free users get a smaller template library and Adobe branding on some exports.

Paid plan: Around $9.99/month (often included with other Adobe subscriptions). Upgrading removes limitations and gives access to premium assets.

AI features: Adobe’s Sensei tech shows up in smart cropping and auto-adjust features. Not as flashy as generative AI, but genuinely useful.

Best for: Marketing teams using Adobe
Downside: Still template-first

4. Affinity Designer

Affinity Designer is what I use when I’m in a “no subscriptions” mood and want serious control. I’ve used it for vector work, icons, and more detailed layouts where Canva simply isn’t capable.

It feels closer to Illustrator than anything else on this list, but without the Adobe tax. Performance is good, exports are reliable, and it doesn’t try to hold your hand.

The downside is collaboration. This is very much a single-player tool. If you’re working with a team, you’ll feel that limitation quickly.

Free tier limits: There isn’t one. It’s a one-time purchase.

Cost: Roughly $55 for desktop (often discounted). You own it outright.

AI features: None built in. All control is manual.

Best for: Designers, vector work
Downside: No real-time collaboration

5. Visme

I’ve used Visme mainly when presentations actually mattered. Not internal slides, but decks that were going in front of clients, partners, or stakeholders where polish and structure mattered more than creative freedom.

Visme feels opinionated in a way Canva doesn’t. It nudges you toward layouts that look like proper reports or presentations, not just big text on colourful backgrounds. That’s helpful when you’re short on time and don’t want to second-guess every design decision.

Where it can feel limiting is when you want to break the structure. It’s not a blank canvas tool. It’s best when you accept its constraints and let it do its thing.

Free tier limits: Watermarked exports and restricted templates.

Paid plan: Starts around $15–$25/month. You get full templates, branding controls, and no watermarks.

AI features: Some automated layout suggestions and asset recommendations, but nothing like generative image AI.

Best for: Presentations, reports
Downside: Free tier is restrictive

6. VistaCreate (formerly Crello)

I first tried VistaCreate out of mild Canva fatigue. After a while, Canva templates all start to look the same, and I wanted something familiar but different.

VistaCreate feels like Canva from a parallel universe. The workflow is almost identical, but the templates skew slightly differently. I’ve used it mainly for social graphics where originality matters just enough to stand out, but not enough to justify full custom design work.

I wouldn’t switch to it permanently if you’re deeply invested in Canva, but it’s a useful alternative when you want a similar experience without the same visual tropes.

Free tier limits: A lot of premium templates and assets are locked.

Paid plan: Around $10/month. Unlocks the full library and team features.

AI features: Limited compared with Canva; mainly search suggestions.

Best for: Social graphics
Downside: Limited depth

7. Snappa

Snappa is what I use when I want zero friction and zero thinking. It’s the closest thing I’ve found to “open app, make thing, close app”.

I’ve used it for quick social posts and blog headers when the output just needed to exist. Not win awards. Not build a brand. Just exist.

The tradeoff is obvious. You hit the ceiling quickly. But if speed is your only requirement, that ceiling might never matter.

Free tier limits: You’re limited to a handful of downloads per month.

Paid plan: Around $10–$15/month. Unlimited downloads and access to assets.

AI features: None.

Best for: Fast social images
Downside: Not flexible

8. Piktochart

I’ve mainly used Piktochart when I needed to turn data into something readable without designing everything from scratch. Reports, infographics, and explanatory visuals are where it shines.

It’s opinionated in a good way. You’re guided toward sensible layouts, which saves time when the goal is clarity rather than creativity. I wouldn’t use it for general design work, but for data storytelling, it’s one of the better options.

Free tier limits: The free plan is usable for trying it out, but you quickly hit limits around premium templates/assets, downloads, and branding (watermarks or Piktochart branding depending on what you export). It’s enough to validate whether the workflow fits you, not enough if you’re publishing client-facing work regularly.

Paid plan: Piktochart’s entry paid plan is typically in the “around $10–$20/month” range depending on current pricing and whether you pay annually. The upgrade is mainly about removing branding/watermarks, unlocking more templates/icons, and getting more export options and project flexibility. If you’re producing infographics more than occasionally, you end up needing paid.

AI capabilities: Piktochart has been adding AI-assisted features (things like helping generate or structure content and speeding up layout creation). In practice, it’s helpful for getting a first draft started, but you still need to sanity-check output and tighten wording.

Best for: Charts, infographics
Downside: Not a general design tool

9. Easil

I’ve seen Easil work well in teams where brand consistency is a real concern. It’s the kind of tool you introduce after someone has already broken the brand once too often.

The strength of Easil is control. You can lock things down, limit what people can change, and still let non-designers produce usable assets. I’ve used it in situations where that balance mattered more than creative freedom.

It’s not a tool I reach for personally unless I’m thinking about governance. But if you manage a team, it makes a lot of sense.

Free tier limits: Very limited downloads and templates.

Paid plan: Around $7–$20/month depending on tier. Gets you brand kits and better templates.

AI features: None.

Best for: Brand consistency
Downside: Less flexible than Figma

10. Stencil

Stencil feels like it was built specifically for bloggers and content marketers. I’ve used it mainly for blog images and simple social graphics.

There’s not much to learn, which is both its strength and its weakness. You’re productive immediately, but you also don’t grow with it.

If your design needs stop at “make image for post”, it does the job. If they grow beyond that, you’ll move on quickly.

Free tier limits: Downloads per month are capped.

Paid plan: Around $9/month. Unlimited assets and downloads.

AI features: None.

Best for: Bloggers
Downside: Very limited

11. Sketch

I used Sketch heavily before Figma became dominant. At the time, it felt like a breakthrough. Clean interface, vector-based, and much better than the alternatives.

The problem is not that Sketch got worse. It’s that everything else moved on. Collaboration, especially, now feels dated compared to Figma.

If you’re already embedded in Sketch on macOS, it still works. But I wouldn’t start there today.

Free tier limits: None; it’s paid only.

Cost: About $9/month for individual plans, more for teams.

AI features: None.

Best for: macOS-only workflows
Downside: Collaboration lagging, and desktop based

12. Inkscape

I’ve used Inkscape when budget was zero and vector work was unavoidable. Logos, icons, simple illustrations.

It’s powerful. There’s no denying that. But it’s also clunky, and you feel that clunkiness constantly. Simple tasks take longer than they should.

I respect it more than I enjoy it. It’s a tool of necessity, not preference.

Free tier limits: Completely free with all features intact. Support and polish are the compromises.

AI features: None.

Best for: Free vector design
Downside: UX feels dated

13. GIMP

GIMP is the tool I open when I need Photoshop-level image editing and don’t want to pay Adobe. I’ve used it for image manipulation, masking, and cleanup tasks.

It can do almost anything Photoshop can, but it makes you work for it. The interface is not forgiving, and the learning curve is real.

Once you know it, it’s powerful. Until then, it can feel hostile.

Free tier limits: Always free, but UI and usability are dated.

AI features: None native; some plugins exist.

Best for: Image manipulation
Downside: Learning curve

14. Photopea

Photopea has saved me more than once. Usually when someone sends a PSD and I don’t have Photoshop handy.

It’s surprisingly capable for a browser-based tool. I wouldn’t use it for heavy work, but for quick edits, it’s excellent.

It’s one of those tools you don’t think about until you need it. Then you’re very glad it exists.

Free tier limits: Ads; some advanced export options are limited.

Paid plan: A small monthly fee (~$5–$7) removes ads and speeds performance.

AI features: None.

Best for: Quick Photoshop-style edits
Downside: Not for large projects

15. Pixlr

Pixlr sits somewhere between “photo editor” and “design tool”. I’ve used it mainly for quick image tweaks when opening a heavier tool felt like overkill.

It’s fast and accessible, but I don’t rely on it for anything critical. More of a utility than a workspace.

Useful to have bookmarked. Not something I’d build a workflow around.

Free tier limits: Ads and limited save options.

Paid plan: Around $5–$10/month. Removes ads and adds some assets.

AI features: Some automatic adjustments and background removal tools.

Best for: Quick edits
Downside: Limited depth

Final thoughts

What all of this has taught me is that there is no “best” graphic design tool in isolation. There are only tools that fit a situation well and tools that fight you.

Canva is fast. Figma is precise. Affinity is powerful. The mistake is expecting one tool to do all three.

If I had to simplify it:

  • Fast and simple: Canva, Snappa, VistaCreate
  • Professional work: Figma, Affinity Designer
  • Presentations and data: Visme, Piktochart

Pick tools based on the job, not the trend.

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Reviewed: The Best Email Marketing Tools (2026 Update)

Updated: January 2026

Have you been tempted to switch email platforms because you feel your newsletters could be doing more?

Maybe you want to automate onboarding emails.

Maybe you want to nurture leads or re-engage past users.

Or maybe you’re tired of the “spray and pray” approach and need something that actually ties into your customer journey.

At StreamAlive, we use Substack for newsletters and Customer.io for transactional emails. Substack makes it simple to publish thought leadership and updates to our audience, while Customer.io handles the system messages triggered from the product. But we often get asked why we don’t just use tools like Mailchimp, Constant Contact, or Brevo for everything.

The short answer: those tools are built for different kinds of companies. Some want to focus on nurturing leads. Some focus on simple newsletters. Others focus on e-commerce to sell to existing customers. Some aim to be mini-CRMs. The key is knowing which type of email marketing tool fits your business model and maturity stage.

Make sure you’re looking at the right email marketing tools

Before you continue, let’s make sure you’re looking at the right set of tools for your email marketing requirements.

Email Campaign TypeWhat It’s Used ForTypical GoalsBest Tool CategoriesExamples of ToolsWhy These Fit
Newsletters & Content UpdatesRegular communication to build audience trust and share updates, insights, or thought leadershipBuild brand awareness, nurture relationships, stay top of mindEmail Newsletter PlatformsSubstack, MailerLite, MoosendPrioritise simplicity, clean templates, and low friction. Designed for consistent, one-to-many content delivery.
Lead Nurture & Marketing AutomationAutomated drip campaigns that guide leads from signup to activationEducate, convert, retain usersEmail Automation PlatformsBrevo, GetResponse, ActiveCampaign, HubSpotAllow multi-step workflows, conditional logic, segmentation, and CRM sync for personalised sequences.
Transactional & Product EmailsSystem-triggered emails based on user behaviour (e.g. password resets, onboarding steps, usage summaries)Drive engagement, improve product activationTransactional Email PlatformsCustomer.io, Postmark, SendGrid, Amazon SESHandle high reliability and deliverability for one-to-one product messages. API-first and event-driven.
Promotional & E-Commerce CampaignsSales-focused announcements or offers sent to existing customersIncrease conversions, repeat purchasesE-Commerce Email PlatformsKlaviyo, Omnisend, Mailchimp, BrevoDeep integrations with Shopify, WooCommerce, etc. Offer product recommendations and cart recovery.
Cold Outreach & ProspectingOutbound campaigns to new leads not yet opted inGenerate meetings, demos, or repliesCold Email ToolsInstantly.ai, Woodpecker, Apollo, LemlistBuilt for deliverability, sequencing, and personalisation at scale; not for opt-in subscribers.
Customer Announcements & Internal UpdatesCompany or product announcements, team updates, internal communicationsInform and engage existing audiencesGeneral Email Marketing PlatformsConstant Contact, MailchimpEasy to use, good for one-off updates, moderate segmentation, and brand consistency.

How to use this framework

  • If your company’s focus is audience building or brand trust, start with a newsletter platform.
  • If your focus is lead conversion or lifecycle management, use an automation-first tool.
  • If you’re in e-commerce, go for a sales-centric platform.
  • If you need reliability for product-triggered emails, choose a transactional provider.
  • And if your goal is outreach to net-new prospects, cold-email tools are a separate category entirely.

Why this matters

Too many companies use one tool for every email need and end up frustrated when it doesn’t scale or integrate properly. At StreamAlive, for instance, Substack handles newsletters beautifully but isn’t suited for product-triggered messages or product promotions that’s why Customer.io fills that gap. Similarly, a tool like Brevo could bridge the gap between newsletters, lead nurture automation and webinar invites, but it would still fall short for transactional reliability or cold-outreach use cases.

The best email marketing platforms

Here are six standout platforms I’ve tested or evaluated, with deeper takes on features, pricing, user feedback, and which kinds of organisations each suits best.

Tools covered:

  • Constant Contact
  • Mailchimp
  • GetResponse
  • Brevo (formerly Sendinblue)
  • MailerLite
  • Moosend

How I selected the platforms

I compared each tool on:

  • Automation depth — how well it handles drip campaigns, triggers, and sequences
  • Ease of setup and design — how quickly a non-designer can send a polished email
  • CRM and integration fit — compatibility with marketing stacks, landing pages, and forms
  • List management and segmentation — how effectively you can target by persona or stage
  • Analytics and deliverability — open, click, and conversion tracking quality
  • Pricing and scalability — real cost per contact or email at small and growing volumes
  • User sentiment — what real users praise and dislike in daily use

Pricing snapshot

PlatformFree / Trial TierEntry Paid PlanWhat You Get in Entry Tier
Constant Contact14-day trialFrom $12/monthBasic newsletters, templates, contact list management, simple automation
MailchimpFree up to 250 contactsFrom $13/monthNewsletter templates, scheduling, basic automation, analytics
GetResponse30-day trialFrom $19/monthAutomation workflows, funnels, landing pages, lead nurturing
Brevo (Sendinblue)Free plan (300 emails/day)From $9/monthEmail + SMS, workflows, segmentation, CRM, marketing automation
MailerLiteFree up to 500 subscribersFrom $10/monthSimple newsletters, drag-and-drop builder, basic automation
Moosend30-day free trialFrom ~$9/monthEmail campaigns, automation, segmentation, analytics

Note: Pricing is approximate and subject to change. Always check vendor sites for the latest details.

1) Constant Contact: The easiest way to start sending professional emails

I tried Constant Contact years ago when I worked with smaller B2B clients who didn’t have a marketing tech stack. It’s one of those tools that feels like it was built for people who don’t really want to think about email marketing software. You log in, pick a template, drop in your logo and text, and you’re ready to send.

That simplicity is its strength. For small companies that just need to send newsletters or customer updates, Constant Contact makes sense. It’s easy to use, the templates look clean, and it’s hard to break anything. Deliverability is solid, and it has direct integrations with things like Eventbrite or Shopify if you want to promote events or online stores.

But once you start caring about segmentation or drip campaigns, you quickly hit its limits. I remember trying to set up a simple “if opened → send follow-up” flow and realising the automation options were barebones. Reporting is basic too, which makes it hard to learn much from campaigns beyond open and click rates.

Constant Contact Pricing & Value

Plans start around $12/month, which looks fair until you realise how quickly costs rise once your contact list grows. The entry tier covers basic newsletters, but automation and segmentation require upgrading fast, which erodes the early affordability. For what you get, it feels expensive once you reach scale. Solid and reliable, but limited sophistication for the price.

What Constant Contact Does Well

  • Simple drag-and-drop builder, great for non-technical users
  • Reliable sending and good deliverability reputation
  • Integrations for event invites, small-scale e-commerce, and surveys
  • Helpful support for first-time users

Where Constant Contact Can Bite You

  • Automation and segmentation are too basic for B2B lead nurture
  • The editor feels dated and limited compared to newer tools
  • Pricing climbs quickly as lists grow
  • Reporting is minimal which fine for newsletters, poor for analysis

Verdict

Constant Contact is fine if you’re a local business, nonprofit, or consultant who just needs to stay in touch with customers. It’s not a growth or conversion platform. For a SaaS or content-driven business, you’ll outgrow it quickly once you need to segment audiences or run automated onboarding and follow-ups.

2) Mailchimp: Still the all-rounder for small teams

Mailchimp has been around forever, and honestly, it’s still good at what it does. At eG Innovations, our regional teams used it for newsletters and webinar invites because it was fast to set up and everyone could use it without training. You can design nice-looking emails, clone campaigns, and schedule follow-ups without involving a developer.

Mailchimp also scales a little better than Constant Contact. It has more templates, slightly stronger automation, and better analytics. I like that you can segment users by behaviour or tags, which is enough for most small-team marketing.

Where it struggles is when you start layering multiple automations, like onboarding sequences, webinar invites, and product updates. The UI gets clunky, and costs climb fast as your list grows. I’ve seen companies hit $400 a month just to keep sending weekly emails to a 50,000-contact list.

Mailchimp Pricing & Value

Mailchimp starts at roughly $13/month and scales by contact count, not usage, which means costs creep up even if you don’t email often. You’re paying for polish and familiarity rather than raw functionality. It’s good value for small lists and simple automation but quickly becomes overpriced for larger audiences or complex workflows.

What Mailchimp Does Well

  • Beautiful templates and a friendly UI
  • Decent analytics for campaign performance
  • Basic automation for welcome sequences or lead magnets
  • Integrations with tools like Stripe, Typeform, and WordPress

Where Mailchimp Can Bite You

  • Expensive once you have more than a few thousand contacts
  • Automation is fine for beginners but limited for complex logic
  • List management is rigid, making advanced segmentation tricky
  • Support and deliverability vary by plan

Verdict

Mailchimp remains the most balanced “default” choice. It’s perfect for small or mid-size teams that need something quick, reliable, and familiar for newsletters, announcements, and light automation. But if your marketing matures beyond that, for example, if you want triggered emails tied to product behaviour or sales stages, then you’ll need to graduate to something more flexible like Brevo or GetResponse.

3) GetResponse: a step up when you want automation and funnel-style email marketing

I evaluated GetResponse a while back when I was at Unmetric. We were looking for something cheaper than Hubspot, but ultimately chose Mailchimp over GetResponse. What intrigued me was that it’s not just an email sender: it feels closer to a lightweight marketing automation platform. You get landing pages, signup forms, workflows, and automation sequences all in one place. For a product with drip onboarding or lead nurture needs, that’s useful.

I tried a simple onboarding flow using GetResponse: new trial user signs up → welcome email → feature tour → follow-up check-in. It was easy enough to set up and took away manual follow-up burden. The platform isn’t as heavyweight as a full marketing automation suite, but it hits a good middle ground.

If you run webinars, product announcements, or need to nurture leads over time, GetResponse gives flexibility at a reasonable price point. That makes it a realistic alternative when you need more than a newsletter tool but don’t need an enterprise-grade CRM.

GetResponse Pricing & Value

Starting at $19/month, GetResponse feels like strong value for what you get: automation, funnels, and landing pages in one package. It’s cheaper than HubSpot or ActiveCampaign at similar capability levels. Costs climb with list size and advanced features, but it remains one of the better mid-market deals for B2B automation.

What GetResponse does well

  • Automation workflows and funnel support (multi-step email sequences, triggers, landing pages)
  • Unlimited monthly email sending even on entry-level plan so it’s scalable for growing lists
  • Built-in tools for list capture, opt-ins, and conversion-focused outreach (good for SaaS onboarding, lead nurture)
  • Decent balance between features and cost, so not overkill if your needs are moderate

Where GetResponse can bite you

  • UI and feature set feels more complex than simple newsletter tools with some learning curve
  • If you only send occasional newsletters, you may not utilise its full potential (and pay for unused features)
  • As automation and campaigns get more sophisticated, you might hit limitations compared to enterprise tools

Verdict

GetResponse is the right “next-level” email marketing tool for companies that need more than newsletters but aren’t ready for a full marketing stack. For B2B SaaS companies with drip campaigns, feature announcements, or onboarding flows, it offers a sensible balance of cost, flexibility, and automation.

4) Brevo (formerly Sendinblue): a flexible, volume-based platform for growing businesses

I used Brevo when I was helping a small non-tech B2B company. What stood out was its flexibility: unlike contact-based pricing, Brevo charges based on volume of emails. That made sense when our list was large but we were only emailing occasionally. It felt cost-efficient and forgiving.

On top of that, Brevo felt more modern than many legacy tools. The interface was easy to navigate, campaign creation was smooth, and automation rules were surprisingly capable for the price. We were able to manage newsletters, promotional blasts, and customer updates all in one place without overpaying for unused features.

For businesses that don’t send frequent blasts but want the option to scale up later, or who combine email with occasional SMS or multi-channel touchpoints, Brevo offers a very sensible entry point.

Brevo Pricing & Value

Brevo’s pricing starts at just $9/month and is one of the fairest models available. You’re not penalised for having a large list, only for how much you actually send. It’s excellent value for companies with big databases but irregular campaigns, though heavy senders may eventually find flat-fee plans cheaper.

What Brevo does well

  • Flexible pricing based on email volume rather than contact count makes it cost-efficient for large but lightly-treated lists
  • Solid automation and segmentation capabilities for the price, so decent for email + light marketing workflows
  • Clean UI and straightforward workflow for sending campaigns or building simple sequences
  • Good for mixed-use: newsletters, product updates, promotional campaigns, and occasional multi-channel outreach (email + other channels)

Where Brevo can bite you

  • Free plan limits number of daily sends, not ideal for high-volume email windows
  • As you scale further (frequent emailing, complex segmentation, heavy automation), you may outgrow the mid-tier plans
  • Some features may remain too basic compared to enterprise-grade marketing platforms

Verdict

Brevo is a smart choice for small-to-mid businesses, startups, or any company that values flexibility and wants to avoid paying hefty contact-based fees. It hits a nice sweet spot between affordability and functionality. If you want to run occasional newsletters, customer updates, or moderate marketing campaigns with room to grow, Brevo gives you everything you need without much overhead.

5) MailerLite: clean, lightweight, and great for simple newsletters or content-based outreach

I looked at MailerLite when evaluating tools for a small, non-tech B2B company but ultimately went with Brevo. What I liked was how smooth and minimal the experience was. No bloatware, just a nice editor, clean templates, and predictable pricing. If your main goal is to publish newsletters, blog-update emails, or regular content digests then MailerLite delivers without overcomplicating things.

I used it to send monthly digests and announcements. The learning curve was minimal, and I rarely needed to touch advanced settings. That made it ideal when I didn’t want marketing overhead but just wanted to deliver content consistently.

For small teams or solo creators, MailerLite gives the essentials. It’s not feature-rich compared to automation-first tools, but that can also be a strength: there are fewer distractions, fewer settings to manage, and less risk of messing up complex workflows.

MailerLite Pricing & Value

MailerLite’s paid plan starts at $10/month to send unlimited emails to 500 subscribers, offering excellent value for creators or small businesses. The free plan also allows upto 500 subscribers but limits you to sending 12,000 emails a month, which is the equivalent of sending 24 emails to your entire list each month which no business is likely to be doing. MailerLite is inexpensive but doesn’t strip out essentials like templates and automation. As your subscriber count grows, it remains affordable longer than most competitors, though you’ll outgrow its simplicity before you outspend it.

What MailerLite does well

  • Simple, clean interface and easy setup with very low friction for content-based newsletters or small-scale campaigns
  • Affordable pricing and free plan exists which good for startups or side projects that don’t yet need heavy automation or segmentation
  • Enough functionality for typical newsletter needs: templates, campaign scheduling, basic forms, and segmentation for small audiences

Where MailerLite can bite you

  • Lacks advanced automation vs. dedicated marketing tools so not ideal for lead nurturing or behavioural-triggered flows
  • Limited segmentation and reporting for larger or more complex contact bases
  • As needs scale (e.g. you need onboarding flows, multiple segmentation layers, automated triggers), you may outgrow the platform

Verdict

MailerLite is a great “lean and mean” tool for content-heavy or small-scale email work. If your aim is regular newsletters, occasional updates, or simple outreach within a limited budget then MailerLite is hard to beat. For more complex marketing automation or scaling, you’ll outgrow it, but until then it’s efficient and easy.

6) Moosend: budget-friendly automation for small businesses exploring email marketing

I tested Moosend briefly for StreamAlive but ultimately decided to stick with Substack. What I liked instantly was that even at a low price you get more automation and segmentation than many “starter” tools. It felt like a bridge between barebones newsletter tools and full-fledged marketing suites.

I set up a simple drip campaign tied to purchase behaviour and saw decent results. For the price point, I didn’t expect much, but Moosend delivered enough to make me take it seriously as a budget automation tool.

For small businesses or bootstrapped startups that need automation but don’t want to pay big, Moosend offers a realistic entry point. It’s not flashy, but it gets the job done.

Moosend Pricing & Value

At $9/month to start, Moosend is one of the cheapest ways to access real automation. It undercuts most alternatives while offering enough sophistication for startups and freelancers. Value drops as needs become more complex, but for lightweight automation and newsletters, it punches above its price point.

What Moosend does well

  • Very affordable for basic automation and segmentation which makes it good value for small budgets or small businesses
  • Automation workflows and segmentation that can handle simple nurture flows or drip campaigns without much complexity
  • Clean, straightforward email builder and quick to launch campaigns

Where Moosend can bite you

  • Limited advanced features with fewer integrations, less sophisticated analytics and CRM-level functionality than bigger tools
  • May feel basic if you try to scale up to larger lists or more complex workflows
  • Support and ecosystem is lighter than more established platforms

Verdict

Moosend is a smart starting point for small teams, side projects, or early-stage businesses. If you want some automation but have minimal budget, it’s a workhorse for basic drip campaigns or marketing emails. But as you grow, you’ll likely need to migrate to a more robust platform.

Final picks & what you should use

The best email-marketing tool depends on your use case and stage of growth.

Need / Use CaseBest PlatformWhy This Platform Wins Over Others
Simple newsletters and announcementsConstant ContactDesigned for small organisations that just need to send updates without complex workflows. Reliable deliverability and quick setup.
All-round balance of ease and powerMailchimpBroad feature coverage with solid templates, analytics, and integrations. Good default for SMB marketing teams.
Lead nurture and conversion funnelsGetResponseCombines automation, funnels, and landing pages in one tool. Ideal for B2B and SaaS lead nurturing.
Multi-channel marketing on a budgetBrevo (Sendinblue)Offers automation, SMS, CRM, and fair pricing by email volume. Great for teams needing cross-channel workflows.
Low-cost newsletter simplicityMailerLiteBest for creators or small businesses sending simple newsletters without needing CRM or complex automation.
Affordable automation testing groundMoosendCheapest entry point to real automation and segmentation. Good for experimenting before scaling to a larger platform.

Overall thoughts: which tool for what kind of company

Based on my own background (using Substack for content newsletters and Customer.io for product-related emails), here’s how I see each tool fitting into a realistic email marketing strategy:

  • If you just need simple newsletters or occasional announcements: Constant Contact, MailerLite, or Moosend are easy, affordable, and low-maintenance.
  • If you want a reliable, general-purpose email platform that balances usability and modest marketing needs: Mailchimp remains a safe generalist, especially for small-to-mid teams not ready for heavy automation.
  • If you plan to grow marketing efforts, run drip campaigns, lead nurture, or use email as an ongoing funnel channel: GetResponse and Brevo stand out. GetResponse brings automation and funnel-style email flows. Brevo adds flexibility with volume-based pricing and is good if you expect fluctuations in send frequency.
  • If you’re budget-conscious but want automation without feature overload: Moosend and MailerLite give a “lean startup” email approach: simple, manageable, and scalable until you outgrow them.

For a SaaS or B2B company, if you foresee running lead nurture flows, onboarding sequences, product announcements, and occasional content newsletters, I’d lean toward Brevo or GetResponse. If you just want to send occasional newsletters or content updates and want minimal fuss, then MailerLite or Moosend keep it simple and cheap.

If you’re happy with your current split (Substack + transactional email tool) and only occasionally need marketing blasts, sticking with that or using a light tool like MailerLite might still make sense.

And if you’re a company like StreamAlive (using Substack for editorial newsletters and Customer.io for product triggers) these tools may overlap rather than replace your existing setup. Choose based on where you want automation to live: in your marketing funnel or your content workflow.


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Reivewed: The Best Automated Webinar Platforms (2026 Update)

Updated: January 2026

Have you been seduced by the idea of running pre-recorded webinars to reduce your workload?

Do pre-recorded webinars work?

Yes, pre-recorded webinars work. Here’s my experience with them.

At StreamAlive we’ve been using eWebinar to run on-demand webinars that are advertised to our website visitors. Although the numbers are not out of this world in terms of registrations and revenue, it has been effective to help visitors understand our product better.

When I was eG Innovations we used BigMarker to run simu-live webinars and it allowed us to go from one live webinar a month to 8 webinars a month. It allowed us to repurpose old webinars and generate lots of new leads for the sales team.

Don’t people get upset by pre-recorded webinars?

You’d think that, but my experience at StreamAlive is that people were happy to watch what is essentially an unskippable YouTube video.

Many webinar platforms allow you to customize the experience of the pre-recorded webinar to make it feel like it’s live. For example, eWebinar makes it easy to keep people engaged because you can set it up to send messages, call to actions, and polls at set times.

At eG, where I used BigMarker for our simu-live webinars, I entered the webinar and lurked in the chat. I engaged the audience in the chat and responded to questions. No one noticed that they were watching a recording or wondered why their questions were being answered in the chat instead of by the host. Or at least they didn’t say anything in the chat.

Why don’t you just promote the webinar recording on YouTube?

It might be a psychological thing that when you can pause or skip an on demand video you pay less attention. When you think something is live and cannot be paused you pay more attention. Also, you can’t collect leads on YouTube videos.

The best pre-recorded webinar tools

Here are five standout platforms I’ve tested or evaluated, with deep takes on features, pricing, user feedback, and what kind of organisation each suits best.

  1. eWebinar
  2. EverWebinar
  3. WebinarNinja
  4. WebinarGeek
  5. BigMarker

How I Selected the Platforms

I compared each tool on:

  • Evergreen & On-Demand Support — ability to run prerecorded webinars as live events, on schedule or on-demand
  • Interactive Features — polls, Q&A, chat, simulated live elements
  • Analytics & Lead Capture — dropout rates, registration flow, follow-up workflows
  • Integration & Funnel Fit — CRM, email automation, marketing stack compatibility
  • Ease of Setup vs Maintenance — how much effort remains post-record
  • Pricing vs Value — what you pay vs what you get
  • User Sentiment — what reviewers praise and hate in real use

Pricing Snapshot

PlatformFree / Trial TierEntry Paid PlanWhat You Get in Entry Tier
eWebinar14-day trialFrom ~$99/month (est)Automated webinars, chat, polls, registration, analytics, Slack integration.
EverWebinarNone~$199/month (billed monthly)Schedule multiple automated webinars, enter the live chat, polls, CTAs
WebinarNinja14-day trialFrom $30/moLive + automated webinars, polls, Q&A, Reactions, branding, analytics
WebinarGeek14-day trialFrom ~$115/monthPre-recorded + live options, full event stack
BigMarkerNo~$500/mo +++Webinars + on-demand, integrations, analytics

Note: Pricing is approximate and subject to change. Always check vendor site for latest details.

1) eWebinar — #1 for Recorded / Automated Webinar Funnels

My number one choice because we use it at StreamAlive and I’m really happy with it.

Best for: B2B SaaS firms, customer education teams, or marketers who want to build a funnel that runs itself.

From experience at StreamAlive (we use eWebinar) it’s clear why it leads. eWebinar is built specifically for pre-recorded and “simulated live” webinars: you upload your video, set schedule options (recurring, on-demand, timezone based), and let the system deliver a live-feel experience. It supports chat, polls, live Q&A integration, registration flows, and analytics.

Why eWebinar is my #1 choice

Most pre-recorded webinar tools have the same feature-set, but what sets eWebinar out from the crowd is the integration with Slack. If a person joins a recorded webinar and uses the chat box, it sends the message to a channel in your Slack and you can reply to the person from Slack. This means you don’t have to constantly have the eWebinar dashboard open waiting for replies and anyone in the team can reply.

What it does well

  • On-demand or just in time: We started out with scheduled webinars at fixed times but switched to on-demand and saw attendance jump up. People want to do things now, not wait around.
  • Solid attendance performance: We see most registrants stick to the end, but the type of content being delivered in the webinar is a factor.
  • Strong analytics and viewer-drop off data.
  • Good registration + timezone display (shows times in viewer’s timezone) which reduces confusion and drop-outs.

Where it can bite you

  • Price: Many reviewers say the monthly cost is high for smaller teams.
  • Add-ons: There are plenty of add-ons that you thought might be included in the price such as removing the eWebinar branding. This jacks up the price.
  • Setup: Because it’s rich in features, initial setup takes time to get all flows, chat, registration, triggers, reminders correct.
  • Customization limits: Some users said the registration page or branding options could be more flexible.

Pricing Overview

eWebinar offers a 14-day trial so you can test the full workflow. Paid plans start at $99/month for basic recurring / on-demand schedule automation. For companies with significant webinar volume, the ROI from automation and funnel performance often justifies the spend.

Even with the higher pricing, many features you might expect as standard are paid add-ons. For example, removing the eWebinar branding on registration forms and pages costs an extra $50 a month.

Paying for the add-ons can quickly double your monthly bill.

Verdict

If you are serious about building automated webinar funnels — record once, run many — eWebinar is the strongest pick. Yes, it costs more and takes setup time, but the ongoing levered value for lead generation makes it worth it. For smaller teams with only occasional webinars it may be overkill.

2) EverWebinar – a close second but lacks some key features

We closely evaluated EverWebinar when deciding whether to go with this or eWebinar. While we loved the UI of EverWebinar, it lost out because it didn’t have the Slack integration. This means that we’d have to be logged in to EverWebinar all the time to catch any live chats that came in.

Just like with eWebinar, EverWebinar lets you set up your automated webinars on a fixed schedule or time table. It does lack the on-demand or just in time option though, and that was also a deal breaker. We found that people want to join a webinar immediately and when we had fixed, scheduled times, attendance dropped.

What it does well

  • It lets you run automated or “evergreen” webinars — using pre-recorded video — without needing to be live. Many reviewers say it’s easy to get started and manage once set up.
  • The platform does a good job of simulating a live webinar: chat/Q&A, pop-ups, polls, scheduled offers etc. This helps make the webinar feel live and drives conversions even when no one is “on stage.”
  • Registration pages and funnel flows come with built-in A/B-testing and decent templates; you don’t necessarily need external tools to build landing pages or sign-up funnels.
  • For businesses that have evergreen content or repeatable webinar material, EverWebinar saves time. It lets you “set and forget”: upload once, then let it run repeatedly, freeing resources for other tasks.

Where it can bite you

  • Customization is limited. Several users mention that you cannot tweak the look-and-feel of the webinar room, landing pages or registration beyond a basic level; branding and design flexibility is quite constrained.
  • It can feel expensive relative to what you get, especially if you also need live-webinar capabilities via a complementary product (e.g. when pre-recorded isn’t good enough).
  • Support and feature updates appear inconsistent or weak for some users. Complaints range from “support is no longer great” to “product feels stagnant compared with other, newer platforms.”
  • The automation + “fake live” approach can backfire if attendees detect that a webinar is not truly live, risking trust and authenticity. For some reviewers this raises ethical or reputational concerns.

Pricing Overview

EverWebinar is one of the pricer options available at $199/mo. If you’re prepared to commit to one or two years upfront, the cost does drop to $99 and $79 a month respectively.

Verdict

EverWebinar is a robust tool if your core need is scalable, automated webinars, especially when you have pre-recorded content and want to avoid the overhead of running live sessions repeatedly.

If you sign up to EverWebinar on the monthly plan and find that it’s the right solution for you then it probably makes sense to commit to the two year plan at $79 a month and save yourself a bunch of money in the process.

If you are just testing out automated, pre-recorded webinars then the $199/mo pay as you go plan might just be too expensive for a trial. You’d need to get a lot of attendees through the door to make it viable.

3) WebinarNinja – The cheapest option for Automated Webinars

I found WebinarNinja to deliver a solid, no-frills webinar platform that covers live, hybrid, and automated (on-demand) webinars, which makes it appealing if you want flexibility. The interface is clean and intuitive, and launching a webinar feels frictionless.

Because of the attendee-based pricing (rather than a flat-licence fee), it can be particularly cost-effective for smaller or early-stage webinar programs. Even though I prefer eWebinar, I seriously evaluated WebinarNinja because of the cost advantages.

Where WebinarNinja sits relative to eWebinar depends on what you value. Compared with eWebinar, WebinarNinja tends to give you more flexibility on branding and attendee interaction (live chat, Q&A, polls), and can be cheaper on a small scale because of its attendee-based billing model.

On the other hand, eWebinar’s built in Slack integration was a deal breaker for us. We all live in Slack, we don’t live inside a webinar dashboard waiting for attendees to chat in an on-demand webinar. The post-event analytics and polished evergreen-webinar automation are better in eWebinar, which matter if you rely heavily on funnel optimisation and conversions.

What WebinarNinja Does Well

  • Flexible pricing for small audiences: The pay-per-attendee model means if you only have 50 attendees per webinar (live or automated), costs stay low. That makes it a good fit when you’re starting out or running occasional webinars.
  • Supports live, hybrid and automated webinars: You’re not forced into just one mode. You can run real-time webinars, schedule automated/on-demand ones, or mix the two.
  • Easy to set up and use: The onboarding and webinar-creation flow is intuitive. Templates, landing pages, registration setup and email reminders are built in, which reduces dependency on external tools.
  • Good engagement features and branding flexibility: Live chat, Q&A, polls, handouts, and customizable registration/landing pages allow for more interactive and branded webinars compared with some alternatives.

Where WebinarNinja Can Bite You

  • Replay limitations with interactivity dropping off on replays: Once a webinar is over and you view the replay, interactive elements (chat, Q&A, timed offers) lose their functionality. That reduces the value of on-demand webinars if you rely on live-feel interaction.
  • Mixed feedback on reliability or advanced needs: Some users report that it feels “basic” compared with more polished or enterprise-grade platforms. If you need advanced analytics, robust integrations or high-touch customisation, it may feel limiting.
  • Support and scaling may become weak spots: As you ramp up with more attendees and more complex funnels you may hit constraints in terms of analytics depth, webinar-room polish or feature breadth compared with specialised automation platforms.
  • Pricing model becomes less advantageous at scale: The attendee-based model is great for small numbers, but as webinar audience grows (hundreds to many hundreds), costs may rise to levels where the model of flat-fee or unlimited plans (like those from some competitors) becomes more cost-effective.

Verdict

WebinarNinja is a pragmatic, budget-friendly webinar tool that works especially well if you are just starting out, running modest-size webinars, or want flexibility in format (live, hybrid, automated). For small to medium sized audiences, its pricing model and ease of use make it a compelling alternative to heavier, more expensive platforms.

However, if your business depends on high-converting evergreen webinars, sophisticated funnel-level analytics, seamless attendee experience, and advanced automation, then sticking with EverWebinar may still give you more long-term value.

In short: treat WebinarNinja as a smart “starter / mid-tier” webinar platform. If you scale up, re-evaluate, but it’s more than capable for initial growth stages.

4) WebinarGeek – Good All Rounder

I looked at WebinarGeek expecting another “automated or hybrid webinar” tool. What I found is a capable all-rounder: it supports live, on-demand (recorded) and automated webinars, and offers a mix of usability, customisation and flexibility. It does not target only the “set-and-forget” evergreen use case, it also works for live, interactive webinars. Compared with eWebinar (my go-to webinar automation tool), WebinarGeek feels more like a general-purpose webinar platform. Depending on your needs, that can be strength or trade-off.

In my view WebinarGeek tends to perform best when you want a balance between flexibility and ease of use. If you occasionally want live interaction, screen sharing, audience Q&A or hybrid sessions — not just pre-recorded evergreen content — WebinarGeek gives you that flexibility. At the same time, if your goal is to run mostly automated webinars on evergreen funnels, eWebinar still feels more polished for that use case.

The lack of Slack integration was the deal breaker for me.

What WebinarGeek Does Well

  • Multiple webinar formats (live, on-demand, automated). You are not locked into a single mode. WebinarGeek supports live webinars, scheduled/on-demand replays, and fully automated pre-recorded broadcasts which makes it versatile depending on the content or audience.
  • Ease of use and intuitive setup. The interface and dashboard seem clean and straightforward. Users say getting started is easy. Creating a webinar, inviting attendees, and customising the look and feel appears simpler than many alternatives.
  • Branding and customisation flexibility. Registration pages, webinar pages, emails and public-facing materials can be branded to match corporate identity. This gives a more professional, on-brand feel compared to more locked-down platforms.
  • Good for smaller to mid-sized audiences and flexible needs. Because you can run different types of webinars and adjust format, WebinarGeek works well for businesses that run a mix of training, sales demos, educational webinars, not just automated marketing funnels.

Where WebinarGeek Can Bite You

  • Pricing may be less predictable or optimal compared to a pure evergreen tool. WebinarGeek uses usage-based subscription plans (e.g. starting at $115/month for automated, pre-recorded webinars, with up to 125 attendees) and you pay more for more attendees and features. That means if your webinars are infrequent or have low attendance, you may over-pay relative to actual usage, unlike a strict per-attendee model.
  • Some limits in advanced analytics or automation depth compared with tools built for evergreen funnels. Reviews suggest that while WebinarGeek offers automation and recording, the level of CRM integration, follow-up flow automation, and analytics (engagement, watch time, advanced conversions) may feel basic for heavy funnel optimisation needs.
  • User/role or feature-tier complexity may cause confusion. There are reports that the distinction between presenter roles, user access levels, and pricing tiers (especially when multi-user or multi-presenter functionality is needed) can be confusing. That can lead to unexpected upgrades or insufficient access control. G2+1
  • Less “automation-first evergreen funnel” polish compared with eWebinar. Since WebinarGeek targets multiple webinar formats, it does not feel as specialised for evergreen marketing funnels as eWebinar. If your business relies heavily on automated webinars as a core growth engine, you might find eWebinar’s funnel-optimised features, registrant-management, registrant limits and subscription model more predictable and better suited.

Verdict

WebinarGeek is a solid, flexible webinar platform. It works well when you need a balance: sometimes live interaction, sometimes on-demand content, sometimes automated sessions. Its ease of use, browser-based setup, and customisation make it a practical choice for organizations that want versatility without too much complexity.

That said, if your primary goal is evergreen, automated webinars for marketing funnels or consistently repeatable content distribution, eWebinar’s more specialised approach still gives it an edge. WebinarGeek feels like a good “all-rounder” — especially for mixed needs or organisations still experimenting with webinar formats.

For a small to medium business or a marketing team that wants flexibility without overcommitment, WebinarGeek deserves serious consideration. If you scale up and need heavy automation, lead funnel optimisation, or tight registrant control, then a tool built more narrowly for evergreen automation may provide better long-term value.

5) BigMarker – best for large enterprises looking to do lots of monthly webinars

I have used BigMarker while at eG Innovations a few years ago and I still think of it as a strong, capable platform. Way too over-engineered for solo entrepreneurs and small businesses, but very effective for larger teams or enterprises running many webinars across functions and regions.

At the time, the price (~US $79/month) felt like a very good deal given the robustness of the platform and the automation options. BigMarker offers live, simulive, on-demand and automated webinar formats, built-in marketing features (landing pages, registration, follow-up, CRM integrations) and a polished interface.

Compared to eWebinar, which I prefer for evergreen / automated webinars aimed at lead generation or passive funneling, BigMarker is a full-blown “webinar & event” platform. eWebinar delivers a streamlined, automation-first experience optimized for repeatable evergreen sessions. BigMarker trades some of that simplicity for flexibility, power and enterprise-grade scalability. For organizations with complex webinar needs, many presenters, global audiences or hybrid events (live + on-demand + marketing + multi-region), BigMarker can easily outmatch eWebinar — but that comes at a cost, both in money and some complexity.

What BigMarker Does Well

  • Wide format flexibility and powerful marketing/event toolset. BigMarker supports live, simulive, on-demand and automated webinars. It lets you run full virtual events or hybrid sessions, not just simple evergreen webinars. That versatility is ideal if you host a variety of webinars, training sessions, global events or multi-speaker broadcasts.
  • Polished user interface and professional attendee experience. Since the platform is browser-based (“no-download” for attendees) it lowers friction for participants. The interface, video quality, streaming and webinar “room” experience tend to feel smooth and professional.
  • Strong marketing, branding, and integrations. Registration pages, follow-up emails, landing pages, CRM/marketing automation integrations (e.g. for lead nurture) are built-in. That makes BigMarker more of a full-funnel tool rather than just a delivery mechanism.
  • Scalability and enterprise-grade capacity. BigMarker claims support for very large live events (up to tens or hundreds of thousands of attendees, depending on plan) and is built to handle complex, large-scale webinar and event workflows.

Where BigMarker Can Bite You

  • Cost is significant and likely prohibitive for smaller teams or occasional webinars. The platform has shifted toward enterprise-oriented pricing, and for smaller usage levels the cost per month may not make sense compared with simpler, more automation-oriented tools like eWebinar.
  • Complexity with too many features if you only need evergreen webinars. Because BigMarker tries to cover every webinar/event scenario (live, hybrid, virtual events, marketing, streaming, etc.), setup and configuration can feel heavy. If you only want automated, “set-and-forget” webinars, this complexity may be overkill.
  • Interface and event-room configuration can be overwhelming for co-hosts or less technical users. Some users report difficulties when co-hosting live events or managing complex settings.
  • Potential overkill for simple evergreen funnel needs. If your goal is just to run pre-recorded webinars on autopilot, using a heavily featured enterprise platform with large-scale capacity may yield diminishing returns compared to a leaner tool optimized exactly for that.

Verdict

BigMarker remains an excellent enterprise-grade webinar and virtual events platform. If your organization runs multiple webinars, events, or training programs at scale, possibly globally, with many presenters and varying formats, then BigMarker offers flexibility, reliability and professional polish that justify its higher price.

For small teams or businesses focused primarily on evergreen webinars for lead generation, eWebinar still likely offers better value due to its leaner, automation-first design and more predictable cost structure. BigMarker is best viewed as a highly capable “webinar infrastructure for scale and breadth,” not as a lightweight evergreen-webinar tool.

Final Picks & What You Should Use

The best automated webinar tool in 2025 is eWebinar for most marketing and SaaS teams due to its automation depth, Slack integration, and analytics. WebinarNinja is the best budget option, while BigMarker suits large enterprises needing scale.

Need / Use CaseBest PlatformWhy This Platform Wins Over Others
Full automation and funnel buildingeWebinarPurpose-built for automated and “simulated live” webinars. Integrates with Slack so you can reply to chat messages without monitoring the dashboard. Excellent analytics, lead tracking, and viewer engagement tools make it ideal for scalable marketing funnels.
Low-cost entry into automated webinarsWebinarNinjaCharges only about $0.60 per attendee, billed in 50-attendee increments, making it ideal for startups or small teams. Delivers both live and automated options with minimal setup complexity. Not as feature-rich as eWebinar, but unbeatable on price for small volumes.
Flexible mix of live and automated sessionsWebinarGeekBalances live, on-demand, and automated formats in one tool. Offers better branding and customization than most, and a clean, intuitive interface. A good mid-tier option if you want to experiment with different formats before committing to full automation.
Advanced evergreen automation with mature UIEverWebinarDesigned for long-term, repeatable “evergreen” webinars. Offers scheduling, pop-ups, and live-like engagement features. Slightly dated interface and limited customization, but excellent if you want “record once, run forever” simplicity.
Enterprise-grade webinar infrastructureBigMarkerA powerhouse platform for large organizations running dozens of webinars across teams and regions. Supports live, simulive, and automated formats with enterprise reliability, deep integrations, and brand control. However, it’s priced for companies like ServiceNow or Datadog, not startups.

Missing a tool?

Am I missing an automated webinar tool from this list? Let me know!

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Disclosure: Editorial rankings are based on hands-on testing, evaluation of public user feedback, and real-world usage.

Lenovo ThinkCentre Neo Ultra Gen 2 Review

I recently bought the Lenovo ThinkCentre Neo Ultra Gen 2 because I was looking for a high performance, compact mini-pc to sit on my desk.

Originally I was looking at the mini PCs from Beelink or GMKtec, particularly the ones with the Ryzen 9 AI Max 395+ processors, but once you bump them up to 128GB RAM they blew past my budget.

I also felt that by the time you’ve dropped £1,500+ on a mini PC it should at least have a decent graphics card, and while the Radeon 8060s is nothing to be sniffed at, it is still no match for the latest generation of Nvidia graphics cards.

I also considered building my own but try as I might I couldn’t find the perfect configuration that came below £1,200.

So in the end I went for the latest version of the Lenovo Neo Ultra (and, annoyingly blew through my budget).

Here’s the spec of my machine:

  • Intel Core Ultra 9 285
  • GeForce RTX 5060 8GB GDDR7
  • 64 GB DDR5-5600MT/s (SODIMM)
  • 1 TB SSD M.2 2280 PCIe Gen4 TLC Opal
  • Intel® Wi-Fi 7 BE200 2×2 BE vPro® & Bluetooth® 5.4 *
  • 350 Watt PSU

* Pretty useless considering I’m using a Deco mesh on WiFi 5

The total price came out to £1,510.

However, I found a good coupon and went crazy with Lenovo’s rewards programme. I was able to knock £35 off the price with that.

I also used Honey to get 1% cashback and bought at a time when Lenovo was offering 2x reward points on every purchase, or about 5% of the value of your purchase.

So I’ll get about £15 cashback from Honey in a few months time and have nearly £75 in reward points from Lenovo.

All in all I was able to knock off about £125 by maximizing coupons and cashback. I’ll probably use the £75 rewards points to by an external Lenovo speaker or a set of headphones.

First thoughts

Shipping was frustratingly slow when you are used to Amazon’s next day delivery. It took 10 days to deliver. Most of that time it was sitting in the ‘processing’ status because it had a couple of optional upgrades.

However, once it was shipped it took about a day to travel from China to the UK.

I’ve been playing around with it for a few days and my overall impression is good. I’ve freed up a lot of space on my desk because before I was using a laptop with a dongle and there were wires everywhere.

The unit is a little bigger than I thought it might be, but it tucks away nicely in the corner of my desk. Footprint wise it takes up less room than a laptop and getting it out of the way makes me feel like I’ve got some room to breathe.

Cable management still needs some work and the alignment of the monitor on the right is baffling me right now as they are all the same monitors with the same height so I can’t work out why it’s higher than the other two.

There’s a definite audible hum from the PSU fan that I’m quickly getting used to. I’m able to tune out background noise fairly easily but if you’re someone who needs absolute quiet then you probably want a less powerful machine with a lower power draw, or use some fancy cooling systems in a larger case.

This is the first (work) desktop I’ve had in about 20 years so not having a webcam, microphone and speakers is something I need to figure out.

Benchmarking the Intel Core Ultra 9 285

The first thing I did when I powered up the Neo Ultra was to run some benchmarks. I watched a benchmarking video on the Gen 1 version of the PC which was rocking an Intel i7 14700 which is no slouch.

Intel Core Ultra 9 285 Cinebench R23 benchmarks

This was the first test I did. The Core Ultra 9 285 scored 34,988 points on the multi-core test and 2,288 points on the single core test. By comparison the Intel i7 14700 scored 24,446 according to this test.

So I think we have a significant leap here in terms of performance between the gen 1 and gen 2 versions of the Lenovo Neo Ultra.

For some reason Cinebench R23 doesn’t show the 285’s performance against more recent processors, so here it is in comparison to older processers, in case you’re thinking of upgrading from one of these.

Intel Core Ultra 9 285 Cinebench 2024 benchmarks

The Intel 285 processor scored 1,913 points on the multi-core CPU test in Cinebench 2024. I don’t really know if that is good or not, but I guess at least it beat the 3 year old Apple M1 Ultra processor? I imagine I’d cry if I benchmarked it against the latest Apple M5 chip.

In the single core test the render took FOR-EVER. That’s why it only got a score of 139.

Intel Core Ultra 9 285 Geekbench benchmarks

The processor scored 20,301 points on Geekbench’s multi-core test and 3,148 points on the single core test. I can’t really tell if that is good or not because it doesn’t make the top 100 results in Geekbench’s top scores!

To be a top 100 score a processor needs at least 26,736 points on the multi-core test. The rankings are unsurprisingly dominated by Apple M4s and AMD Threadripper 9985WXs. Single core performances are dominated by ARM processors, Apple M5s and earlier Intel processors.

Is the Core Ultra 9 285 a top 10 processor?

I don’t think many PCs are using the regular 285 version of the processor because many benchmarking sites I checked don’t list it. Likely because they don’t have enough data to provide a confident average score.

According to Geekbench’s top processor list, if everyone else got a similar multi-core score to me, the Core Ultra 9 285 would rank about 11th overall. Just behind the Core i9 14900KF (which to be fair is a souped up, overclocked version of the processor) and just ahead of the Ryzen 9 9900X3D.

It’s crazy to see that the performance version of the 285, the 285k still doesn’t beat the Core i9 14900KS.

I was also a little bit pleased that the AMD Ryzen AI Max+ 395 (who is in charge of their product naming!?) scored a lot less than the Intel 285. That made me feel a lot better about opting for the Lenovo over a Beelink or GMKtec PC.

Nvidia RTX 5060 Geekbench benchmarks

Although the RTX 5060 isn’t a bad graphics card, it’s still on the budget side of things so it only scored 130,877 points in the Geekbench GPU benchmark. By comparison, an RTX 5080 is likely to score around 270,000 points.

In terms of where the RTX 5060 fits in against all the other graphics cards, it’s quite far down the list. Behind the 2080 Ti, 3070s and above, and the 4070s and above.

Individual scores will vary but my score placed the RTX 5060 in the Lenovo Neo Ultra about the same as an RTX 3070.

Oh, and if I had gone for a mini PC with an AMD AI Max+ 395, the integrated graphics card, while immense, still doesn’t match a dedicated GPU.

I’m pretty happy with these GPU scores!

Intel Core Ultra 9 285 UserBenchmark benchmarks

Finally I did a UserBenchmark test. Again, the 285 processor seems to be so unpopular that there are only a handful of benchmarks using this processor. I received a bench of 132% which is very good for this processor, and puts it in the top 5 processors out of all the user benchmarks.

However, because only a handful of benchmarks have been done on the 285, we don’t know the true position. With the benchmarks that have been done, the performance ranks at 34th, or about the same as a Ryzen 9 9900X.

In comparison to the Intel Core i7 14700 in the gen 1 version of this PC, UserBenchmarking shows that the performance is about the same.

Final thoughts

Overall, the Lenovo Neo Ultra Gen 2 is a pretty good machine that is about half-way between a budget mini-PC and a money is no object gaming PC.

If you’re thinking about buying it, make sure you sign up for the Lenovo rewards programme first and use Honey to get some cashback.

You could pay twice the price on a better graphics card and get more performance, but at the cost of size, noise, and ongoing cost.

If you came here looking for some benchmarks around the Lenovo Neo Ultra Gen 2, hopefully it gives you some idea of what to expect.

Review: Should you use Whop.com to promote your SaaS product?

TL;DR: Nope. But your mileage may vary.

Doing a clipping campaign on Whop.com where you pay people to clip your videos and post it on their social media sounds alluring, it sounds new, it sounds oh so very Gen-Z.

But it’s also the metaphorical equivalent of gouging your eyes out with a cold, rusty spoon. You just shouldn’t do it.

OK, there are probably parts of the internet that find the idea of gouging out eyes with cold and rusty spoons rather exciting. Likewise, you might be the type of business that likes to set fire to hundred dollar bills just to light a cigar.

Let’s take a closer look.

What is Whop?

Whop is to Gen-Z what Youtube and Instagram is to millennials. It’s the place for creators to make money shilling shit selling products to their legions of fans. This is not your old school influencer selling other people’s shit, this is creators selling their own stuff.

Apparently Whop is quite successful at this with dozens of media reports of teens making money from it.

What has teens selling shit got to do with SaaS companies?

Somewhere along Whop’s growth journey someone had the rather clever idea that creators could reward their fans for reposting clips on other social networks. Think TikTok videos, Reels on Instagram, and Shorts on YouTube.

You know, the stuff that social networks and investors go starry eyed over because it’s like cocaine for the eyes.

It was a pretty good idea.

Creators upload their videos and their legions of fans devour it like locust in a biblical plague, turning one video into hundreds or even thousands of clips.

The fans earn a few bucks for the views they generate and the Creator turns her fans into a marketing army to spread her influence far and wide.

Still don’t get what this has to do with SaaS companies

Yeah, I’m coming to that.

When so many creators are getting their clips re-shared, then Gen-Z is going to take notice. Few apps sum up Gen-Z marketing better than Cluely, the most super-scary app ever developed if you are responsible for legal stuff in a corporate.

Cluely is built on the back of founders and early employees who are creators first and business people second (they might dispute this, but I said what I said).

If you want a job at Cluely you need to show you have at least 10,000 followers on a social network first and are an influencer in your own right.

Now (and I’m hypothesizing here) the Cluely team, being creators themselves, realized that they could become a “corporate creator” on Whop, upload their own videos and then pay ridiculous sums of money to jobless people who would create clips and upload it to their own social profiles or even create brand new social profiles.

Overnight people’s TikTok and Instagram feeds were being flooded with “cheat on everything” Cluely content, courtesy of (I believe) clippers on Whop.com.

Since nothing stays secret in marketing for long, other AI apps and podcasters started to take notice and upload their own videos and reward clippers for views.

For example, Perplexity, which just scored $200m in funding, is a big user of whop, paying out tends of thousands each month.

So what happened with StreamAlive when it tried to use Whop?

This is rather painful. Like going to the doctors with an embarrassing problem.

At StreamAlive we need to find growth channels that can explode our user base. We’re a product-led growth app with a low price point so we can’t afford to spend hundreds of dollars acquiring customers, or thousands to acquire paid users.

We need low cost, high leverage growth levers, and if all these AI companies were using Whop they must be on to something because they’re all reporting $18bn MRR in 2 months or something ridiculous like that.

The thing about growth marketing is you have a dozen experiments going on at once to find something that works. Whop might be that thing that worked.

Narrator: It wasn’t.

Setting up your Whop account

Our first clue that we weren’t in Kansas any more was when we tried to set up our Whop account.

If you’re used to slick SaaS apps with butter smooth onboarding and emails from the founder ‘personally’ welcoming you, then you’re going to feel like you entered the wild west of apps. There is no law here.

You’re basically left to figure it out.

I couldn’t figure it out so I got one of our Gen-Zs to figure it out.

He couldn’t figure it out either.

Together, we clicked buttons, opened links, and went round and round in circles until we figured that to create a clipping campaign you had to first create a product, but since we didn’t have a product, it wasn’t an actual product, it was, well, I don’t know what it was, we had to create it and set it to free.

Then Whop users could see the product and buy it for free. Or something like that.

THEN when these users bought the free product they were eligible to create video clips from the content that we uploaded.

I still don’t understand it, but that’s what you have to do.

Next you have to create your Content Rewards campaign for your product. You can create your Content Rewards campaign before you have created your product, but people can’t be a part of the Content Rewards campaign until you’ve created a product and they’ve bought it.

If you want to curl up into a ball and cry after trying to understand this workflow, then you are on the same path we were on. We’ll meet at destination f**ked.

So now your product is created, your Content Rewards campaign is active and funded (don’t ask!), you’ll start getting users who want to create video clips of your content and post it on their social networks.

This is where you encounter the first problem.

Users on Whop have no regard for your brand standards or requirements. They are interested in extracting the maximum amount of monies for the minimum amount of effort.

Therefore 100% of clips are generated using apps like opus.pro (but since the users are penniless they are probably using a cheap knock-off from appsumo).

Some clips are from videos that you didn’t even ask them to create clips for. Like this one, which isn’t on any StreamAlive channel as it was at an event and posted by the event organizers.

Many clips contain the user’s personal watermark even when our requirements said: DO NOT USE A WATERMARK

We rejected some of the videos with Creator watermarks and our Whop chat exploded.

WHy YoU reJeCt mY VIdeO :angry face: :crying face:

Apparently creators for our campaign believed that uploading our video to their AI clipping tool which automatically spits out video clips for them to use constitutes “great amount of effort” and they are “protecting my time and investment” by adding their watermark.

Eventually we decided not to fight it. It’s like putting water back into a sieve.

But trying to get people to adhere to the requirements was the least of our problems.

The real problem was with Whop Content Rewards

When you set up your content rewards (the name for asking people to clip your videos and paying them for the views they generate) you enter how much you want to spend and how much you want to pay per 1,000 views.

All very straightforward.

We researched other AI apps and saw they were offering $2-$3 per 1,000 views. We entered a bit lower because we were testing the waters.

You also set the maximum payout that a person can earn PER VIDEO.

Initially we set this to $100 thinking it was per user. Yet another thing that Whop lets you find out for yourself.

Then all the submissions come in and you have to review the video and the account and approve it. The videos have a few dozen reviews so it all looks legit.

But that’s when things get sketchy real fast. The video that you approved last night with a few dozen reviews suddenly gets tens of thousands of views overnight.

Before you know it, every video coincidentally hits the EXACT amount of views needed to get the maximum payout per video.

And then? The views just stop.

Whop has a major bot problem on Content Rewards

We quickly reduced the maximum payout per video down to $25 and the fallout in the chat was even bigger than when we said “no watermarks”.

We were being accused of being frauds and scammers for switching the maximum payouts after clippers had worked “so hard” to get views on the videos.

Never mind that the same people accusing us of being frauds were the ones using bots to generate views to get the maximum payout.

So what happened when we lowered the payout to $25?

Suddenly none of the videos got more than 30k views. That’s all the clippers needed to get the payout so paying the bot views factory more would be a waste of money.

Content Reward video clips always get the exact amount of views needed to get the maximum payout. That’s not a coincidence.

What went wrong?

We did a bit of reading and realized that we should have only accepted users from certain countries. The advice that is available is to block users from India, Bangladesh, Vietnam, Pakistan, Egypt and a dozen other countries.

Of course, you never would have found the setting to do this yourself, because it’s placed under the descriptively named “Control Center”. The only option in the Control Center is to block countries. So why it’s not called “Country Filter” or something that actually describes what it does, I don’t know 🤷

Once in the Control Center you can select which countries to block. Whop even recommends which countries to block, so why doesn’t it do that by default?!

Now that we’ve blocked users from all the bad actor countries we thought we’d see an increase in quality of videos and a believable amount of organic views on the videos they created.

We. Were. So. Naive.

Blocking these countries made ZERO difference. A teenager from Bangladesh who has discovered he can make $100 with $10 of bot views isn’t going to let a geo-IP detection stop him. All the users from the blocked countries are using VPNs to appear like they are in the US or Europe.

The final sting in the tail

According to the Whop analytics, we paid $1,500 to generate about 845,000 views, of which 99.999% were bot views.

It stung quite bad.

But then, as I was writing this Whop review I discovered something that has made the experience even more unpleasant.

Virtually all the StreamAlive videos created by the clippers have been deleted.

The only saving grace, we thought, was that at least now when people search on TikTok or Instagram, they’ll see lots of videos talking about StreamAlive.

But nope. Even that has been taken away.

What the hell is going on with Whop?

All of this begs the question: What the hell are all these other AI apps and influencers doing paying out thousands of dollars for bot views?

The people running the campaigns are not stupid. They know that all the views are bot views. Whop TELLS you that these views are bot views. But month after month they continue to pay out thousands of dollars.

WHY?

I have a theory.

For companies like Cluely and Perplexity and Replit the amount paid out is less than a rounding error in their marketing budgets. These companies have got so much money that they are probably tapped out on so many other channels, they need to find somewhere to spend their money to show growth and momentum.

So they come to Whop.

And it makes for an incredible story that the media just LOVES.

I have 372 employees creating clips of my content on social media 24 hours a day

WOW! Tell me more! Journalists love this kind of angle.

Social media goes gaga over a hook like this.

The next reason is that now, if you were to search your favourite doom scrolling app for something related to Cluely, Perplexity or one of the other AI apps that pay out thousands of dollars for bot views, you see a never-ending wall of video clips.

These apps suddenly look BIG, if everyone is talking about them and creating videos about them.

A barbaric despot dictator once said:

Quantity has a quality of its own.

And I think in a round about way that’s what the play is here for the massively funded AI apps. Flood the zone with clips to make it look like “everyone is talking about you”.

And they are talking about you because you’re telling people you have an army of influencers.

Then, tell investors that you have figured out untapped growth channels that costs literal pennies to ‘hire an army of influencers’ and who is going to closely inspect every single one of those 372 accounts on TikTok and try and figure out if they are legit or bot accounts?

Suddenly a unnoticed requirement that all these other apps made in their Content Reward programmes made sense.

They said that clippers had to create new accounts with the brand name in the account and upload the clips from there.

Fewer clippers will delete the throwaway account than videos from their actual account.

We were so, so, so naive.

Where do we go from here?

If by some chance this article has ranked in Google or in ChatGPT for people asking if Whop.com is legit or if the content rewards programme works for B2B SaaS companies, then hopefully you have your answer.

Whop.com is a place to get hundreds of thousands of bot views on dozens or even hundreds of videos across TikTok, Instagram, and Meta.

If your goal is to show investors and the media that you have a super-popular app that everyone is talking about on social media, then it’s probably the cheapest and most effective method you can find.

If you thought that you were going to get visibility and raise awareness for your app, you are going to be so incredibly disappointed.